mi_keys, sorry I meant Matt Schuab, I was living in 2006.
The QB rating thing is so stupid. Check this:
1. Aaron Rodgers (26) 97.2 2005-2009 gnb
2. Steve Young+ 96.8 1985-1999 2TM
3. Philip Rivers (28) 95.8 2004-2009 sdg
4. Tony Romo (29) 95.6 2004-2009 dal
5. Peyton Manning (33) 95.2 1998-2009 clt
6. Kurt Warner (38) 93.7 1998-2009 3TM
7. Tom Brady (32) 93.3 2000-2009 nwe
Is that mean that Philip Rivers is bound to be one of the all time greats because he's done it for even longer than Rodgers. Romo?
Like the I said, right now, Rodgers is the same as Romo and Rivers, good numbers, no career defining wins, no deep playoff runs (exception of Rivers).
Enough with the whole Rodgers has had the best statistics ever in the first two years. You want to see something even more disturbing:
10. Ben Roethlisberger (27) 91.7 2004-2009 pit
11. Matt Schaub (28) 91.3 2004-2009 2TM
12. Chad Pennington (33) 90.1 2000-2009 2TM
13. Carson Palmer (30) 87.9 2004-2009 cin
14. Daunte Culpepper (32) 87.8 1999-2009 4TM
15. Jeff Garcia (39) 87.5 1999-2009 5TM
Those are ALL TIME numbers. Like I said too early to start talking about all time greats.
"RedSoxExcel" wrote:
I figured you meant someone else, saying David Carr is elite would be psychotic.
I too don't like qb ratings and I'm not banking my opinion of Rodgers on that statistic. I'm banking it on his total production (passing and rushing, which to Rodgers detriment the qb rating does not account for), the fact he looks to have further improved on things such as the speed of his release, and how he's handled himself in pressure situations.
And let's compare his last year to Rivers' and Romo's best years (I'm including two years for each of Rivers and Romo because it's debatable which was their best):
Rodgers (2009):
Total Yards - 4,750
Total TDs - 35
Total Turnovers - 11
Rivers (2009):
Total Yards - 4,304
Total TDs - 29
Total Turnovers - 12
Rivers (2008):
Total Yards - 4,093
Total TDs - 34
Total Turnovers - 15
Romo (2009):
Total Yards - 4,588
Total TDs - 27
Total Turnovers - 13
Romo (2007):
Total Yards - 4,340
Total TDs - 38
Total Turnovers - 21
So only once has Romo or Rivers produced more touchdowns than Rodgers did last year, and in that year Romo turned the ball over 10 more times and had 400 fewer yards. Neither has produced as many yards or protected the ball as well either.
As for the "no career defining wins" you could liken that to a comeback win because that's essentially what everyone remembers. Well that debate was fought over endlessly last offseason and frankly he should have one. Rodgers has on occasion taken the team on his back and clawed them back into contention. Unfortunately, the defense in those games continued to suck and he fell just short (I'm thinking Carolina '08, Pittsburgh '09, and Arizona '09 playoffs specifically). Yes he threw a pick at the end of the Carolina game and yes he missed Jennings by an inch to win but in major stretches of those games he showed he can singlehandedly dominate teams in clutch situations. That's something I haven't seen from Romo and have seen at times from Rivers.
For the record, I think Rivers and Romo will go down in history as great quarterbacks too. I think Rivers will end up a tranche below Rodgers and Romo a little behind Rivers.
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