The 500 yards and 10 points were illustrations. Obviously no one is going to do either. So then from the unlikely you work back towards the probable.

Even you said it. Only 6 teams gave up 20 points or less with your yardage average. 21.4%. It is just not very likely. You need to get the yards allowed down to get them at 20 or less on a more consistent basis. Which is not very likely in this day and with these rules.

I too want the team to give up 20 points or less. And I agree it is the most relevant statistic. I simply won't ignore the yards allowed.

Originally Posted by: wpr 

You say holding teams to 20 points or less is "just not very likely", yet you say to hold teams below 200 yards when 31 teams gave up 300 or more yards? lol

21.4% is more likely than 0% which means it's more realistic of an expectation.


You give me a team with Aaron Rodgers and a defense that doesn't give up more than 20 points, I will give you a championship.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 

Sometimes I think you love to argue just for arguments sake.

Fine if you are going to twist everything around I don't even care.

Originally Posted by: wpr 

The missed tackles, players out of position, I don't know if it's coaching, or players just not doing their jobs.
But our D has done both way too many times this season.
If they don't shore it up this week, it will be one and done.
And I don't know if it can be fixed in one week.

Originally Posted by: Cheesey 

W0W!!!




Anyhow, as I have been completely flabbergasted, lets change gears to something gooder ... do we want Dom Capers back?

I think there's quite a bit of talent on the defense and they under-performed. I think communication issues have been with this defense since Capers took over??

Which tells me the scheme is excessively complicated or the Packers are drafting players who are not football smart.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 

As I said, "competent coaching to make players better" - teaching fundamentals - is mainly the job of the position coaches. It's debatable whether THAT is the problem, or we just have a lot of substandard personnel. Either way, creative schemes - Capers' strength - are NEEDED to be competitive against good offenses.

Does nobody around here remember Robert Sanders and Donatel and the other guys we had after Shurmer and before Capers? Plain vanilla defense didn't cut it then, and it won't cut it now.

Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker 

I think Caper's has been significantly challenged starting with the poor play of the deep backs and moving on to coping with the injuries to Perry and Mathews. Then you figure in Jones who hasn't done much and Raji out all year with a brain tumor.

I read somewhere that while Mathews and Perry were out all those weeks their replacements accounted for 0 sacks. As in NONE. I don't know if our Safeties have more than one INT yet.

The reason I mention these four is that they are all 1st round picks that by now in the season you would have looked for a whole lot more production from. I understand, unlike apparently some here, that you can't produce when your not on the field, but when the guys behind those guys ain't doing much I have a hard time putting it on the coach.

So I look at Capers and see a guy working with deep backs he can't trust for nothing, some pretty good players out or playing hurt, and a couple others that for whatever reason just haven't earned their checks.

I see them come out and hold a team like the Bears to 7 in the first half of the biggest game of the year and then see some pretty damn good catches and a couple of royal f'ups on coverage and I'm just not ready to put that on coaching. The PLAN was there but the execution and consistency by the players was not. Same thing that's haunted the D all year long.

Whether it's due to injury or just not getting it done when the guys getting the big checks aren't producing it's a big problem. For any coach.

Originally Posted by: warhawk