It seems like you're reaching to pick a fight and I'm trying, err failing to figure out what the fight actually is.

I want a defense that holds a team under 20 points a game consistently and I don't care if they end up giving bunches of yards in the process.

You respond with 2013 team stats that say less yards are the correlation a team gives up less points?

So be it then.

I'm not arguing which came first, the chicken or the egg. I am saying ... keep teams under 20 points per game consistently, period.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 

I want a defense that consistently keeps teams UNDER 20 points per game. The yards mean nothing to me. They can give up 300 or 400 a game as long as they keep the opponent under 20 points consistently.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 

Texas, I thought I made you cry and you quit. You weren't working or anything last night were you "on the Dole boy"?

You'll get your wish because Uncle Ted just doesn't fire guys. But like usual, you are completely wrong on this issue! Capers flat out sucks, and is the beneficiary of having a high potent offense to carry his slacker ass. No wonder you like him so much - he's a lot like you - no credibility and never takes responsibility for anything.

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 

The reason that Kaepernick didn't kill this team with his legs is because he didn't have to. He easily sat back all day and picked apart the D through the air because he overcompensated by playing too much zone. And that's were we all start bitching at: once it was shown that the pre-game plan to stop Kaepernick failed, Capers couldn't adjust.

I think the post game show said it best after that game. Yeah you don't want Kaepernick running wild like he did last year but don't be afraid to challenge him especially after you spent all season saying how much more physical and tough you would be. Kaepernick showed he didn't want to run and take a hit on a stretch option play by IMMEDIATELY throwing his hands up to show he didn't have the ball after handing off to Gore.

Originally Posted by: Mucky Tundra 

hahahahahahaha tell me what you really think.

I don't know what you even think you said to make you think that - just because you got the last word as a fag defender before the thread got locked.

I will give you credit for occasional moments of lucidity in the realm of football - unlike politics. However, in this case, the idea of blaming Capers and using schemes to compensate for poor D personnel, you are as idiotic as you are in the Back Alley. You are correct about one thing, though. Thompson - and the Packers in general - don't go around haphazardly firing people like a lot of teams. Capers should be safe, not just because of that tendency, but because anybody with a lick of sense knows that we would be WORSE off trying to man up and play teams WITHOUT compensatory scheming, given the personnel we have. That tendency not to fire people, rather, is what keeps Ol' Ted secure from being fired.

Hopefully, Thompson will, however, have been shocked to the realization of how crappy a job he has done in terms of O Line and most of the D, and clean up his own act.

Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker 

Uh ...... isn't that what I said? Capers did what was necessary to stop the running of Kaepernick, but he stubbornly refused to depart from that, even when Kaepernick started having success passing. The challenge this time is to stop both, and Gore too - with basically the same shoddy personnel, now minus Matthews. It will be difficult, but I wouldn't bet against Capers doing it.

Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker 

We have more than enough competent personnel to field a top 15 defense. What we don't have is competent coaching to make players better. Dom sits on his ass in his press box and doesn't even interact with the players. I wonder if he even hits the practice field with them.

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 

As I said, "competent coaching to make players better" - teaching fundamentals - is mainly the job of the position coaches. It's debatable whether THAT is the problem, or we just have a lot of substandard personnel. Either way, creative schemes - Capers' strength - are NEEDED to be competitive against good offenses.

Does nobody around here remember Robert Sanders and Donatel and the other guys we had after Shurmer and before Capers? Plain vanilla defense didn't cut it then, and it won't cut it now.

Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker 

you also said:

I am not trying to pick a fight.

Certainly the points given up is the bottom line and we agree on that. I am also concerned about the yards allowed because it is an indicator of points. You won't find many teams that give up 500 yards a game and only 10 points. Likewise you won't find many teams that give up 200 yard a game and let the other teams score 50 points.

Hold the other team to 200 yards (Not reasonable in the day and age.) and you will win championships.

Originally Posted by: wpr 

Hold the other team to less than 20 points a game consistently. That is what wins championships.

If you give up 300 yards or even 400 yards of offense in the process, it matters little as long as you keep them under 20 points consistently. Did I say 500 yards? Did I say 10 points? I said keep them under 20 points offensively and that they can give up 300 or 400 yards a game.

28 teams kept teams between 300 and 400 yards on average.

6 teams kept teams below 20 points against. (I don't know if that is what the defense gave up so it could be less/more)


I don't know the special teams scores and pick sixes off hand, but if the defense held the opposing offenses to 20 or less, I think the Packers win 12 games this season. Crazily enough, I think they'd only get the 3rd seed then lol.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool