DoddPower
10 years ago

The D did step up at times in this last game. Doesn't mean Capers is awesome.

I actually kind of view him as a guy who just doesn't want to work hard. He gets a new job and makes a good impression, then tries to coast as long as he can get away with it.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



Capers isn't a horrible coach. He can be good, at times. But he's inconsistent and often doesn't get the most out of his players. Being average just isn't good enough. I just think it's time for a fresh start, that's all. I can't imagine another talented coach doing much worse, and it's possible they could be much better. I think it's worth the risk.
beast
10 years ago


The Packers are struggling at DL, OLB and S because of lack of good healthy talent.


OLB position is very important to the 3-4 defense. Matthews is injury, Neal and Perry are banged up and don't quite seem like true 3-4 OLBers yet at much as 4-3 DE standing up...

With the DL they're struggling at good healthy run stuffers who are good at OL clogging. With out that most defenses 3-4 defenses struggle to stop the run.

And it doesn't matter what defense you're in, if the FS is struggling it's hard to hide it against a good or decent passing attack... and the Packers just plain in simple don't have a true FS other than maybe Jennings and he's been error prone.



It doesn't matter who's coaching those areas are very hard to cover up in a 3-4 defense.


Also I've read that Gilbert Brown and LeRoy Butler were on some radio show, and they basically said the defense seemed to have the right call in place and the players tried to do the right thing, but they failed execute, and the defenses struggles have been more on the players and not the calls.

UserPostedImage
DoddPower
10 years ago

The Packers are struggling at DL, OLB and S because of lack of good healthy talent.


OLB position is very important to the 3-4 defense. Matthews is injury, Neal and Perry are banged up and don't quite seem like true 3-4 OLBers yet at much as 4-3 DE standing up...

With the DL they're struggling at good healthy run stuffers who are good at OL clogging. With out that most defenses 3-4 defenses struggle to stop the run.

And it doesn't matter what defense you're in, if the FS is struggling it's hard to hide it against a good or decent passing attack... and the Packers just plain in simple don't have a true FS other than maybe Jennings and he's been error prone.



It doesn't matter who's coaching those areas are very hard to cover up in a 3-4 defense.


Also I've read that Gilbert Brown and LeRoy Butler were on some radio show, and they basically said the defense seemed to have the right call in place and the players tried to do the right thing, but they failed execute, and the defenses struggles have been more on the players and not the calls.

Originally Posted by: beast 



Does this same explanation apply for the past few years, though? To me, the problems are much deeper than just this season and can't be explained in just that context, which it seems like some are trying to do.

texaspackerbacker
10 years ago

Seems to me only Texas wants Dom back, and anybody that has argued with him knows how smart he is. [sarcasm]

.

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 



Maybe I'm just the only ones with the balls to say it clearly.

And even I wouldn't be too upset with that "start fresh" idea. The point is, whether it's Capers or somebody else, the personnel the D coordinator has to work with ain't up to standard. That became dead obvious when Rodgers went down, and bad D started costing us games rather than just style points.

Whoever the D coordinator is, he damn well better be prepared to do some creative things - similar to Capers, because we just don't have the players to line up and maul the other team.

Assuming we also are not gonna be blessed with a new GM, the GM we have better get his head out of his ass and draft and/or sign us some quality - Safety(s), at least one ILB, and a bookend OLB, assuming Perry isn't the answer. I actually think we already have decent D Line quality. We just need to get rid of Raji and Pickett, and get a leaner more athletic rotation - Daniels, D. Jones, Neal back to DE, Worthy, Jolly, Boyd.


Expressing the Good Normal Views of Good Normal Americans.
If Anything I Say Smacks of Extremism, Please Tell Me EXACTLY What.
DakotaT
10 years ago

Maybe I'm just the only ones with the balls to say it clearly.

And even I wouldn't be too upset with that "start fresh" idea. The point is, whether it's Capers or somebody else, the personnel the D coordinator has to work with ain't up to standard. That became dead obvious when Rodgers went down, and bad D started costing us games rather than just style points.

Whoever the D coordinator is, he damn well better be prepared to do some creative things - similar to Capers, because we just don't have the players to line up and maul the other team.

Assuming we also are not gonna be blessed with a new GM, the GM we have better get his head out of his ass and draft and/or sign us some quality - Safety(s), at least one ILB, and a bookend OLB, assuming Perry isn't the answer. I actually think we already have decent D Line quality. We just need to get rid of Raji and Pickett, and get a leaner more athletic rotation - Daniels, D. Jones, Neal back to DE, Worthy, Jolly, Boyd.

Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker 



The only thing new in Green Bay next year will be our draft. You can continue to slurp on Dom all you want to. It seriously does not make you right in a way on this particular topic. Fucken guy should have been fired after last year's playoff collapse - but that was all on Walden right?
UserPostedImage
beast
10 years ago

Does this same explanation apply for the past few years, though? To me, the problems are much deeper than just this season and can't be explained in just that context, which it seems like some are trying to do.

Originally Posted by: DoddPower 



I forget which site it was but I saw somewhere they broke down Packers defense NFL team rankings in yardage given up and points given up since 2000.

Capers had 3 of the top 5 in both but he also had two really low years... I think it was 2011 and 2013.

2011 they were using Dom's agressive scheme but they were failing to get pass rush pressure from anyone but Matthews and with Tramon hurt, Woodson slowing down and Collin career over they couldn't cover either.

2013 I talked about above, the DL run stuffing isn't winning often enough, OLBers are injured or hurt and not playing that well and the team has no good true FS.



UserPostedImage
blueleopard
10 years ago
I like Kevin Greene as a motivator, but the man isn't ready.

If anybody on the current staff should take the reins from Capers, it should be Winston Moss.

He's been in talks for HC positions for a number of years now, but he's always just coached linebackers. I wanna see what his defensive schemes are not that he's worked with both 4-3 and 3-4 bases.
Danreb Victorio A Believer of Greg Jennings
PackFanWithTwins
10 years ago

I like Kevin Greene as a motivator, but the man isn't ready.

If anybody on the current staff should take the reins from Capers, it should be Winston Moss.

He's been in talks for HC positions for a number of years now, but he's always just coached linebackers. I wanna see what his defensive schemes are not that he's worked with both 4-3 and 3-4 bases.

Originally Posted by: blueleopard 



I don't think Moss will ever be a DC. Though he might be a head coach someday. He seems more like a player personnel coach. I could see him being a coach like Tomlin, not running either offense of defense leaving that for the Coordinators.
The world needs ditch diggers too Danny!!!
mi_keys
10 years ago

I like Kevin Greene as a motivator, but the man isn't ready.

Originally Posted by: blueleopard 



That may be the case but we can't be sure of that. That's why some wanted us to fire Capers mid-season and give Greene an extended interview as interim DC. Truely find out what you have at a time when the defense couldn't have played much worse.
Born and bred a cheesehead
texaspackerbacker
10 years ago

The only thing new in Green Bay next year will be our draft. You can continue to slurp on Dom all you want to. It seriously does not make you right in a way on this particular topic. Fucken guy should have been fired after last year's playoff collapse - but that was all on Walden right?

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 



You probably are correct about the draft only thing, and that may be enough. One very good safety, a new ILB to go with Lattimore, and maybe an OLB if it becomes obvious Perry ain't the answer, that might be enough - except for the O Line, but that's another story.

Contrary to what you keep saying, I'm not that hung up on Capers. I'm more about saying we have PERSONNEL problems, not a coaching problem. Nobody is gonna do a good job with what we currently have, least of all a rah rah guy like Greene who doesn't even seem to have done a good job as a position coach. At least you, Dakota, are not pushing for him (are you?).

If we really need a new DC (which I still say we don't), how about Greg Robinson? I assume he is done at Univ. of Texas with Mack Brown leaving. He was the Saints bounty guy, right? But other than that, he's been a great DC - and plenty LOUD - to satisfy the people around here who crave for a motivator. I think Robinson will end up with the Cowboys, though, when they fire Kiffin as DC.

Edit: I'm wrong. It was Gregg WILLIAMS in New Orleans. Oh well, maybe he's available too hahahaha, for you anybody-but-Capers guys.
Expressing the Good Normal Views of Good Normal Americans.
If Anything I Say Smacks of Extremism, Please Tell Me EXACTLY What.
Users browsing this topic
    Fan Shout
    Zero2Cool (12m) : I see what you did there Mucky
    Zero2Cool (12m) : dammit. 3:25pm
    Zero2Cool (12m) : Packers Vikings flexed to 3:35pm
    Mucky Tundra (20m) : Upon receiving the news about Luke Musgrave, I immediately fell to the ground
    Mucky Tundra (21m) : Yeah baby!
    Zero2Cool (41m) : LUKE MUSGRAVE PLAYING TONIGHT~!~~~~WOWHOAAOHAOAA yah
    Zero2Cool (1h) : I wanna kill new QB's ... blitz the crap out of them.
    beast (1h) : Barry seemed to get too conservative against new QBs, Hafley doesn't have that issue
    Zero2Cool (2h) : However, we seem to struggle vs new QB's
    Zero2Cool (2h) : Should be moot point, cuz Packers should win tonight.
    packerfanoutwest (3h) : ok I stand corrected
    Zero2Cool (3h) : Ok, yes, you are right. I see that now how they get 7th
    Zero2Cool (3h) : 5th - Packers win out, Vikings lose out. Maybe?
    beast (3h) : Saying no to the 6th lock.
    beast (3h) : No, with the Commanders beating the Eagles, Packers could have a good chance of 6th or 7th unless the win out
    Zero2Cool (3h) : I think if Packers win, they are locked 6th with chance for 5th.
    beast (3h) : But it doesn't matter, as the Packers win surely win one of their remaining games
    beast (3h) : This is not complex, just someone doesn't want to believe reality
    beast (3h) : We already have told you... if Packers lose all their games (they won't, but if they did), and Buccaneers and Falcons win all theirs
    Zero2Cool (3h) : I posted it in that Packers and 1 seed thread
    Zero2Cool (3h) : I literally just said it.
    packerfanoutwest (3h) : show us a scenario where Pack don't get in? bet you can't
    Zero2Cool (3h) : Falcons, Buccaneers would need to win final two games.
    Zero2Cool (3h) : Yes, if they win one of three, they are lock. If they lose out, they can be eliminated.
    packerfanoutwest (3h) : as I just said,,gtheyh are in no matter what
    Zero2Cool (3h) : Packers should get in. I just hope it's not 7th seed. Feels dirty.
    packerfanoutwest (3h) : If packers lose out, no matter what, they are in
    packerfanoutwest (3h) : both teams can not male the playoffs....falcon hold the tie breaker
    packerfanoutwest (3h) : if bucs win out they win their division
    beast (3h) : Fine, Buccaneers and Falcons can get ahead of us
    packerfanoutwest (3h) : falcons are already ahead of us
    beast (3h) : Packers will get in
    beast (3h) : If Packers lose the rest of their games and Falcons win the rest of theirs, they could pass us... but not gonna happen
    packerfanoutwest (4h) : they still are in the playoffs
    packerfanoutwest (4h) : If Packers lose the remaining games,,,,at 10-7
    Zero2Cool (5h) : We can say it. We don't play.
    Mucky Tundra (7h) : But to say they are in is looking past the Saints
    Mucky Tundra (7h) : That said, their odds are very favorable with a >99% chance of making the playoffs entering this week's games
    Mucky Tundra (7h) : Packers are not in and have not clinched a playoff spot.
    buckeyepackfan (7h) : Packers are in, they need to keep winning to improve their seed#.
    Mucky Tundra (16h) : Getting help would have been nice, but helping ourselves should always be the plan
    beast (17h) : Too bad Seahawks couldn't beat Vikings
    bboystyle (17h) : We just need to win Monday night and were in
    Mucky Tundra (20h) : Or ties, but let's be real here
    Mucky Tundra (20h) : Other scenario was Falcons+Rams losses
    Mucky Tundra (20h) : Needed a Falcons loss for a Seahawk loss to clinch
    buckeyepackfan (20h) : Am I wring in saying if Tge Vikings beat The Seahawks, The Packers clinch?
    Mucky Tundra (21-Dec) : Agreed; you stinks
    Zero2Cool (21-Dec) : I'm not beating anyone. I stinks.
    Mucky Tundra (21-Dec) : rough injury for tank dell. guy can't catch abreak
    Please sign in to use Fan Shout
    2024 Packers Schedule
    Friday, Sep 6 @ 7:15 PM
    Eagles
    Sunday, Sep 15 @ 12:00 PM
    COLTS
    Sunday, Sep 22 @ 12:00 PM
    Titans
    Sunday, Sep 29 @ 12:00 PM
    VIKINGS
    Sunday, Oct 6 @ 3:25 PM
    Rams
    Sunday, Oct 13 @ 12:00 PM
    CARDINALS
    Sunday, Oct 20 @ 12:00 PM
    TEXANS
    Sunday, Oct 27 @ 12:00 PM
    Jaguars
    Sunday, Nov 3 @ 3:25 PM
    LIONS
    Sunday, Nov 17 @ 12:00 PM
    Bears
    Sunday, Nov 24 @ 3:25 PM
    49ERS
    Thursday, Nov 28 @ 7:20 PM
    DOLPHINS
    Thursday, Dec 5 @ 7:15 PM
    Lions
    Sunday, Dec 15 @ 7:20 PM
    Seahawks
    Monday, Dec 23 @ 7:15 PM
    SAINTS
    Sunday, Dec 29 @ 3:25 PM
    Vikings
    Saturday, Jan 4 @ 11:00 PM
    BEARS
    Recent Topics
    1h / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

    1h / Random Babble / Martha Careful

    2h / Green Bay Packers Talk / Martha Careful

    22-Dec / Green Bay Packers Talk / packerfanoutwest

    19-Dec / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

    19-Dec / Random Babble / Zero2Cool

    18-Dec / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

    17-Dec / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

    17-Dec / Featured Content / Zero2Cool

    16-Dec / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

    16-Dec / Green Bay Packers Talk / Martha Careful

    16-Dec / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

    16-Dec / Feedback, Suggestions and Issues / Mucky Tundra

    16-Dec / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

    16-Dec / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

    Headlines
    Copyright © 2006 - 2024 PackersHome.com™. All Rights Reserved.