13 years ago
Quinn Johnson is looking for work.

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rabidgopher04
13 years ago

I know it is conventional wisdom to attribute injuries to the random vagaries of (bad) luck, but the Packers have been beset with so many injuries the past few years that I can't help but wondering about the strength and conditioning staff. A lot of the trendy, newfangled methods of athletic training are gradually being shown not to be as effective at preparing bodies to be resilient to the rigors of contact sports as the more old-fashioned emphasis on raw strength, power and agility. I remember the Packers brought in a new strength coach a few years ago (can't remember his name) who was known for his supposedly innovative training modalities, which de-emphasized strength and concentrated more on high reps, and then the team had a spate of hamstring injuries the following two seasons. That coach is no longer with the team. I'd be curious to see what kind of training program the Packers have been on the past couple of seasons. People like Clay Matthews sure do seem to have some muscular imbalances in their legs.

Originally Posted by: Nonstopdrivel 



Wasn't that Rock Gullickson (now with the Rams)?
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Nonstopdrivel
13 years ago
Yes, I believe that was the man. Look how effective his techniques have been for the Rams.

Football players need to be strong, fast, and tough. Flexibility is also a plus (see: Ryan, Matt). Endurance is of far lower importance in the game of football, but that was the primary focus of Gullickson's training style.
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Zero2Cool
13 years ago

Yes, I believe that was the man. Look how effective his techniques have been for the Rams.

Football players need to be strong, fast, and tough. Flexibility is also a plus (see: Ryan, Matt). Endurance is of far lower importance in the game of football, but that was the primary focus of Gullickson's training style.

Originally Posted by: Nonstopdrivel 



I'd rather see Matt Ryan. I fail to understand why you bring up Rock Gullickson with the Rams considering all the injuries they have. I think I mistakenly read your comment as Rock was better than what we have now?
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Nonstopdrivel
13 years ago
No, I was saying that Gullickson seems to leave a trail of broken bodies wherever he goes. In my opinion, his methods are counterproductive and dangerous.
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Zero2Cool
13 years ago

No, I was saying that Gullickson seems to leave a trail of broken bodies wherever he goes. In my opinion, his methods are counterproductive and dangerous.

Originally Posted by: Nonstopdrivel 


Gotcha. I would be surprised to learn that these professionals are not training their athletes injury prevention techniques. Then again, some people openly root for the Minnesota Vikings so nothing should surprise me.
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Nonstopdrivel
13 years ago
There is an awful lot of bullshit out there in the physical training field these days. People find the oldies-but-goodies boring, especially since they are damn hard work, so they tend to go for all the latest fads. Plus it's a lot more lucrative to charge for some new exercise variant you've invented yourself, which is why we have so many glitzy trickets and programs out there these days. (The ShakeWeight? Squats on a medicine ball . . . WTF?)

My university has perhaps the oldest exercise physiology program in the country, so a lot of exercise research takes place here. Interestingly, they keep finding out that the old techniques are the best. The old strongmen of the late 19th and early 20th centuries knew what they were doing. There is just no substitute for the compound lifts -- squats, deadlifts, presses, rows, dips, etc. -- for building strong, durable human beings.
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Greg C.
13 years ago

There is an awful lot of bullshit out there in the physical training field these days. People find the oldies-but-goodies boring, especially since they are damn hard work, so they tend to go for all the latest fads. Plus it's a lot more lucrative to charge for some new exercise variant you've invented yourself, which is why we have so many glitzy trickets and programs out there these days. (The ShakeWeight? Squats on a medicine ball . . . WTF?)

My university has perhaps the oldest exercise physiology program in the country, so a lot of exercise research takes place here. Interestingly, they keep finding out that the old techniques are the best. The old strongmen of the late 19th and early 20th centuries knew what they were doing. There is just no substitute for the compound lifts -- squats, deadlifts, presses, rows, dips, etc. -- for building strong, durable human beings.

Originally Posted by: Nonstopdrivel 



I thought that was Rock Gullickson's approach. When he came to Green Bay, I heard a lot about how he emphasized the use of free weights rather than machines. It was supposed to be kind of a throwback program. In Gullickson's first two years--2006 and 2007--there were relatively few injuries, and Gullickson won an award for Strength and Conditioning Coach of the Year. Then in 2008, they had a bunch of injuries and Gullickson got canned along with several other assistant coaches. The guy who replaced him, Dave Redding, has a similar approach, based on using a lot of free weights.

From what you wrote, I can see how teams might be convinced to use training programs that are less than ideal, although I still tend to lean more toward luck as the biggest factor. Also, I wonder if some GM's are more willing to roll the dice on players who are somewhat injury prone.

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Zero2Cool
13 years ago
Some GM's are more than willing to roll the dice on injury prone players and potential trouble makers. Usually they do that to get them over the top as they feel the reward outweighs the risk.

I think the turf played on holds value in injuries as well. Probably more so than I think.
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PackerTraxx
13 years ago
Hopefully Green can come back 100% healthy next year. I had high hopes for him to be ready and help us with our Super Bowl run late in the year. Now I guess we won't have seen much of him at all. Maybe Neal can do that-I keep hoping. We could use his pass rush even more.
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