13 years ago
Quinn Johnson is looking for work.

You can always run Kuhn.
blank
rabidgopher04
13 years ago

I know it is conventional wisdom to attribute injuries to the random vagaries of (bad) luck, but the Packers have been beset with so many injuries the past few years that I can't help but wondering about the strength and conditioning staff. A lot of the trendy, newfangled methods of athletic training are gradually being shown not to be as effective at preparing bodies to be resilient to the rigors of contact sports as the more old-fashioned emphasis on raw strength, power and agility. I remember the Packers brought in a new strength coach a few years ago (can't remember his name) who was known for his supposedly innovative training modalities, which de-emphasized strength and concentrated more on high reps, and then the team had a spate of hamstring injuries the following two seasons. That coach is no longer with the team. I'd be curious to see what kind of training program the Packers have been on the past couple of seasons. People like Clay Matthews sure do seem to have some muscular imbalances in their legs.

Originally Posted by: Nonstopdrivel 



Wasn't that Rock Gullickson (now with the Rams)?
Amazing Bacon Delivery  Service! Never be without good bacon again.
Nonstopdrivel
13 years ago
Yes, I believe that was the man. Look how effective his techniques have been for the Rams.

Football players need to be strong, fast, and tough. Flexibility is also a plus (see: Ryan, Matt). Endurance is of far lower importance in the game of football, but that was the primary focus of Gullickson's training style.
UserPostedImage
Zero2Cool
13 years ago

Yes, I believe that was the man. Look how effective his techniques have been for the Rams.

Football players need to be strong, fast, and tough. Flexibility is also a plus (see: Ryan, Matt). Endurance is of far lower importance in the game of football, but that was the primary focus of Gullickson's training style.

Originally Posted by: Nonstopdrivel 



I'd rather see Matt Ryan. I fail to understand why you bring up Rock Gullickson with the Rams considering all the injuries they have. I think I mistakenly read your comment as Rock was better than what we have now?
UserPostedImage
Nonstopdrivel
13 years ago
No, I was saying that Gullickson seems to leave a trail of broken bodies wherever he goes. In my opinion, his methods are counterproductive and dangerous.
UserPostedImage
Zero2Cool
13 years ago

No, I was saying that Gullickson seems to leave a trail of broken bodies wherever he goes. In my opinion, his methods are counterproductive and dangerous.

Originally Posted by: Nonstopdrivel 


Gotcha. I would be surprised to learn that these professionals are not training their athletes injury prevention techniques. Then again, some people openly root for the Minnesota Vikings so nothing should surprise me.
UserPostedImage
Nonstopdrivel
13 years ago
There is an awful lot of bullshit out there in the physical training field these days. People find the oldies-but-goodies boring, especially since they are damn hard work, so they tend to go for all the latest fads. Plus it's a lot more lucrative to charge for some new exercise variant you've invented yourself, which is why we have so many glitzy trickets and programs out there these days. (The ShakeWeight? Squats on a medicine ball . . . WTF?)

My university has perhaps the oldest exercise physiology program in the country, so a lot of exercise research takes place here. Interestingly, they keep finding out that the old techniques are the best. The old strongmen of the late 19th and early 20th centuries knew what they were doing. There is just no substitute for the compound lifts -- squats, deadlifts, presses, rows, dips, etc. -- for building strong, durable human beings.
UserPostedImage
Greg C.
13 years ago

There is an awful lot of bullshit out there in the physical training field these days. People find the oldies-but-goodies boring, especially since they are damn hard work, so they tend to go for all the latest fads. Plus it's a lot more lucrative to charge for some new exercise variant you've invented yourself, which is why we have so many glitzy trickets and programs out there these days. (The ShakeWeight? Squats on a medicine ball . . . WTF?)

My university has perhaps the oldest exercise physiology program in the country, so a lot of exercise research takes place here. Interestingly, they keep finding out that the old techniques are the best. The old strongmen of the late 19th and early 20th centuries knew what they were doing. There is just no substitute for the compound lifts -- squats, deadlifts, presses, rows, dips, etc. -- for building strong, durable human beings.

Originally Posted by: Nonstopdrivel 



I thought that was Rock Gullickson's approach. When he came to Green Bay, I heard a lot about how he emphasized the use of free weights rather than machines. It was supposed to be kind of a throwback program. In Gullickson's first two years--2006 and 2007--there were relatively few injuries, and Gullickson won an award for Strength and Conditioning Coach of the Year. Then in 2008, they had a bunch of injuries and Gullickson got canned along with several other assistant coaches. The guy who replaced him, Dave Redding, has a similar approach, based on using a lot of free weights.

From what you wrote, I can see how teams might be convinced to use training programs that are less than ideal, although I still tend to lean more toward luck as the biggest factor. Also, I wonder if some GM's are more willing to roll the dice on players who are somewhat injury prone.

blank
Zero2Cool
13 years ago
Some GM's are more than willing to roll the dice on injury prone players and potential trouble makers. Usually they do that to get them over the top as they feel the reward outweighs the risk.

I think the turf played on holds value in injuries as well. Probably more so than I think.
UserPostedImage
PackerTraxx
13 years ago
Hopefully Green can come back 100% healthy next year. I had high hopes for him to be ready and help us with our Super Bowl run late in the year. Now I guess we won't have seen much of him at all. Maybe Neal can do that-I keep hoping. We could use his pass rush even more.
Why is Jerry Kramer not in the Hall of Fame?
Fan Shout
beast (22-May) : Colts Owner Jim Irsay has passed away
Zero2Cool (21-May) : Well, emailing should work now. After not working for almost a year. Oops.
Zero2Cool (21-May) : Brotherly Shove did not get enough votes.
Zero2Cool (20-May) : lol our email hasn't worked in months. 7 pages of unverified users
Zero2Cool (20-May) : MySpace Screaming Lord Byron ... Brett Favre.
Zero2Cool (19-May) : Packers have signed first-round pick Matthew Golden, leaving second-round tackle Anthony Belton as their only unsigned draft pick
beast (19-May) : Supposedly he has to take his image, and name off of it... but otherwise could keep selling wine if he wanted to.
Zero2Cool (19-May) : he giving up his win business?
beast (19-May) : Speaking of Woodson, sounds like he'll be a minority owner (0.1%) of the Browns
Mucky Tundra (15-May) : Zero, regarding Woodson, that'd why I find the timing with Williams peculiar
dfosterf (15-May) : Ryan Hall y'all does a great job of tracking thesr
Zero2Cool (15-May) : Fear not!! I planned to do 33mi bike ride tomorrow morning, so ... yeah
Zero2Cool (15-May) : We got some dark clouds and nasty winds right bout now.
Zero2Cool (15-May) : Madison they had hail 4pm.
dfosterf (15-May) : Sure looks like these tornadoes are headed towards Green Bay
Zero2Cool (15-May) : Woodson of Charles fame was reluctant and then loved it. that didn't really come out until post career
Mucky Tundra (15-May) : IE "We bought into the Bears and they let us down, we have no choice to seek alternatives"
Mucky Tundra (15-May) : Or that Williams and his family are preparing an exit ramp if they don't like how things are going in a few years
Mucky Tundra (15-May) : Either Williams thought it would make him look good (reluctant but then embraces the city and franchise)
Mucky Tundra (15-May) : I can only assume that the Williams camp agreed to cooperate with that article tells me 2 things
dfosterf (15-May) : Ya. They are in a great mood
Zero2Cool (15-May) : I should visit again
dfosterf (15-May) : ChiCity Sports entering freakout mode due to Caleb and his dad not wanting him to go there
Zero2Cool (15-May) : "He's looking really good out there," Derrick Ansley said of Kalen King. Adds that he's been playing inside and out.
Zero2Cool (15-May) : Him saying he doesn't have one to give haha
Zero2Cool (15-May) : True, that was awesome. The whole F thing was great actually.
dfosterf (15-May) : I did like the Mark Murphy part, sorta
Zero2Cool (15-May) : Some comments on it saying it was great, amazing... I came away thinking... awkward.
dfosterf (15-May) : Packers schedule release video is "interesting" I guess.
Zero2Cool (15-May) : SOOO glad that tool still works. Saves from manually entering each game
Zero2Cool (15-May) : NFL Pick'em import was done last night.
Mucky Tundra (15-May) : Atlanta with 5 primetime games lol
Zero2Cool (15-May) : Week Five BYE?? NFL is hell.
wpr (14-May) : Vikings schedule leaked. Week 12 in GB. Week 18 in MN.
wpr (14-May) : CBS has GB @ NYG Week 11 Nov 16 and they will face MN in week 18 but don't say where. I think away
Zero2Cool (14-May) : W15: Packers at Broncos
Zero2Cool (14-May) : Ben Sirmans on MarShawn Lloyd: “Everything’s full go for him.”
Zero2Cool (14-May) : Luke Butkus says training camp will allow plenty of time to implement new center Elgton Jenkins
Zero2Cool (14-May) : wk 2 commanders at packers
Zero2Cool (14-May) : Ugh. Packers thanksgiving detroit ...boring
Zero2Cool (14-May) : Panthers at Green Bay in week 9, Nov 2nd
buckeyepackfan (14-May) : Week 1
buckeyepackfan (14-May) : Packers Host Detroit Week 1! ML finally gets a week home opener.
beast (13-May) : I was kind of hoping Douglas might come back to the Pack
beast (13-May) : My question is how much do we trust Jenkins? In bad weather, he seemed to struggle a bit with ball control snapping, though he started at OG
beast (13-May) : Well Jenkins probably knows he's not getting that 2026 salary number without a new contact... so just trying to get the new contact early
Zero2Cool (13-May) : CB Rasul Douglas is visiting the #Seahawks today, per source.
dfosterf (13-May) : He's a switch and baiter. Its the same as a bait and switcher except he agreed to the switch first lol
dfosterf (13-May) : 6.8 mil raise next year. Those are existing contract numbers
dfosterf (13-May) : 12.8 plus 4.8 pro rata signing bonus is 17.6 mil. Top center in the league at 18
Please sign in to use Fan Shout
2025 Packers Schedule
Sunday, Sep 7 @ 3:25 PM
LIONS
Thursday, Sep 11 @ 7:15 PM
COMMANDERS
Sunday, Sep 21 @ 12:00 PM
Browns
Sunday, Sep 28 @ 7:20 PM
Cowboys
Sunday, Oct 12 @ 3:25 PM
BENGALS
Sunday, Oct 19 @ 3:25 PM
Cardinals
Sunday, Oct 26 @ 7:20 PM
Steelers
Sunday, Nov 2 @ 12:00 PM
PANTHERS
Monday, Nov 10 @ 7:15 PM
EAGLES
Sunday, Nov 16 @ 12:00 PM
Giants
Sunday, Nov 23 @ 12:00 PM
VIKINGS
Thursday, Nov 27 @ 12:00 PM
Lions
Sunday, Dec 7 @ 12:00 PM
BEARS
Sunday, Dec 14 @ 3:25 PM
Broncos
Friday, Dec 19 @ 11:00 PM
Bears
Friday, Dec 26 @ 11:00 PM
RAVENS
Saturday, Jan 3 @ 11:00 PM
Vikings
Recent Topics
2h / Green Bay Packers Talk / greengold

4h / Green Bay Packers Talk / earthquake

22-May / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

22-May / Green Bay Packers Talk / bboystyle

21-May / Green Bay Packers Talk / greengold

21-May / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

21-May / Green Bay Packers Talk / earthquake

20-May / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

19-May / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

19-May / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

16-May / Green Bay Packers Talk / dfosterf

15-May / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

15-May / Green Bay Packers Talk / greengold

15-May / Random Babble / Martha Careful

15-May / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

Headlines
Copyright © 2006 - 2025 PackersHome.com™. All Rights Reserved.