Zero2Cool
14 years ago
His stats are an improvement, but that doesn't mean he'll match those stats with our return unit or scheme. Why doesn't that ever get considered?

If you don't have lanes to run through, you can't run, it's pretty simple.
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rodgehodge
14 years ago
last year he had the same # of punt returns as in 2008 and he got almost 100 less yards and 0 tds. I think tramon has as much capability as this guy to break one out. plus, who would we cut?
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Packers_Finland
14 years ago

last year he had the same # of punt returns as in 2008 and he got almost 100 less yards and 0 tds. I think tramon has as much capability as this guy to break one out. plus, who would we cut?

"rodgehodge" wrote:



I'm fine with Tramon as a return man, but because he's our starting corner the risk is too high for me. Same for Jennings. I don't care if it's not Clifton Smith, just get someone who will return punts and kicks and if injured, we won't lose a key player of our offense or defense.

As to who would get cut, I would definitely be willing to let go of Pat Lee, Jarrett Bush, Marshall Newhouse, Nick McDonald, Brett Swain or Tom Crabtree for a decent returer.
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Rockmolder
14 years ago

Kick returner Clifton Smith's two-year, $1.615 million contract with Miami contained $130,000 in bonus money....

"pack93z" wrote:



That was it? $1.615 million? I know we can't exactl throw around money, especially with all the front loaded contracts we've been giving out, already, but I'd take my chances on the kid if that's all you'd have to pay up. Even with his "injury problems".

"Rockmolder" wrote:



And here I thought that was over paying a one dimensional player..



But look at it relatively.

We paid a rotational ILB $22.65 million over 4 years, with $7 million guaranteed.

We paid a back-up safety $1.545 for 1 year of play.

We gave a running back who had just a couple of good games a 4 yeard contract, worth up to $30 million.

As for returners... Devin Hester got paid a contract worth as much as $40 million over 4 years. Joshua Cribbs got a 3 year contract, worth as much as $20 million.

And I'm not saying that we should fork over that kind off money to "just" a punt returner with some injury problems and problems holding onto the ball. You don't pay David Garrard like you would Tom Brady. But one dimensional or not, these guys are getting paid.

$1.615 million over 2 years is very doable for a guy who both keeps Tramon off the field and can actually contribute on STs, rather than just not hurt us.
Zero2Cool
14 years ago
Wait, did you really just try to compare those positions and expect us to bite?

Perspective my ass.
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Greg C.
14 years ago

We gave a running back who had just a couple of good games a 4 yeard contract, worth up to $30 million.

"Rockmolder" wrote:



You had already lost me by that point, but that's where you REALLY lost me. I think Grant gained the second most yards of anyone in the NFL during the second half of '07, and he gained over 200 in one of the playoff games. That's a lot more than "a couple of good games."
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Dexter_Sinister
14 years ago
Zero is right. Not even worthy of a direct reply.
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tromadz
14 years ago


We gave a running back who had just a couple of good games a 4 yeard contract, worth up to $30 million.

"Rockmolder" wrote:



I'm with ya on that one. It was premature. I didn't like it then, I don't like it now, but as usual I hope he has a killer year.

Also, Peprah...something something.
Rockmolder
14 years ago

We gave a running back who had just a couple of good games a 4 yeard contract, worth up to $30 million.

"Greg C." wrote:



You had already lost me by that point, but that's where you REALLY lost me. I think Grant gained the second most yards of anyone in the NFL during the second half of '07, and he gained over 200 in one of the playoff games. That's a lot more than "a couple of good games."

"Rockmolder" wrote:



A couple like in 8. You want to tell me that thats enough to throw that amount of money at the guy? Thats matt cassel like crazy. I think he showed his amazing tlanet the year after that, gaining a whopping 3.8 ypc. And hes not the elite guy he looked like in 2007 and which we paid for bigtime. It was an idiotic time to just give the guy a huge contract.
Rockmolder
14 years ago
NOt evne worth a reply? So the problem is that you guys just don't see the position as something that important. A better KR/PR adds nearly as much yards over an avarage KR/PR as Grant does over some random, more average RB.

A KR/PR will make more impact than a rotational LB or a S who's always injnured. I don't know why its so blasphemous to make a comparison. I'm not saying that the guy makes as much money as our other guys do but this amount of money is nothing.
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