Ranking the starting QBs· Page 2

Packers_Finland
Registered Topic Starter

14 years ago

I would rank them by their QB rating. Faver is 14th and Rodgers is 1st. Just 'cause I know it drives Faver fans nuts.

"Zero2Cool" wrote:

There is something fundamentally wrong with the QB rating though.

Example:

Quarterback A throws 3/3 for 9 yards and the team has to punt.

Quarterback B throws 1/3 for 60 yards and the drive keeps going.

Quarterback A has a higher QB rating.

"Packers_Finland" wrote:

That makes sense. It's QB Rating, not QB with team rating. That 60 yards doesn't mean the drive keeps going. With the inaccuracy, the next pass could be picked, more likely to happen with B than A.

QB A is west coast offense.
QB B is more raider'esque offense.

The QB Rating is whack though. I won't disagree there.

"Dexter_Sinister" wrote:

The QB Rating takes INTs into account too, the system shouldn't fill in the blanks by itself. The scenario I posted is the basic fundamental flaw of the QB rating. Too much of it depends on completion percentage, and too little on YPA.

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Zero2Cool
Elite Member

14 years ago

#12

What's the purpose of the QB rating?

From my understanding it's purpose is to provide a measure of efficiency for QB's on a "standardized" measuring stick.

You're scenario is flawed. How often would A or B happen? A very rare, B far more often.

Should the QB be penalized because he did three check downs on one drive and the players receiving the ball could not gain more than 9 yards with three tries?

You want your QB to throw a high completion percentage, good yardage, touchdowns and least amount of interceptions possible.

The QB rating system is a RATING, not measurement of ELITE status.

Dexter_Sinister
Registered

14 years ago

#13

They are all rated by the same criteria. It is a fixed criteria that involves protecting the football and scoring TDs. Like all models it is inadequate to tell the whole story of how they played. But it is useful model in that it tells you if the QB can 1. Take care of the ball. And 2. Score TDs through the air. If a QB is only getting 3 and outs, he will not score and have a low rating if you look at the entire game. If he throws INTs, he will also have a low rating.

Taking 3 plays out of an entire game is circumventing the intention of the rating in order to discredit the rating. Like taking a quote out of context to prove a point that is contrary to the point of the text.

To determine who it the best QB without involving the magic and fairy dust of the intangibles like leadership and intestinal fortitude, it is more unbiased to use an empirical measuring stick like the QB rating. As inadequate and flawed as all models are, it is at least a useful one.

It is a more useful stat than the W/L record to tell you how the QB played. That is almost irrelevant. A QB can play horribly and the team still win, or he can play brilliantly and lose.

Besides, I don't really care, I was just tweaking the Favre fans mellons.

I want to go out like my Grandpa did. Peacefully in his sleep.
Not screaming in terror like his passengers.

Packers_Finland
Registered Topic Starter

14 years ago

#14

Wow Dexter sounding like Rodger Goodell back there

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Dexter_Sinister
Registered

14 years ago

#15

I though Martti Ahtisaari looked like Benny Hill in glasses.
http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/7/74/YaketySax.mp3

I want to go out like my Grandpa did. Peacefully in his sleep.
Not screaming in terror like his passengers.

Packers_Finland
Registered Topic Starter

14 years ago

#16

I though Martti Ahtisaari looked like Benny Hill in glasses.
http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/7/74/YaketySax.mp3

"Dexter_Sinister" wrote:

Martti Ahtisaari FUCKING resolved the Kosovo situation. How many wars have you ended?

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Dexter_Sinister
Registered

14 years ago

#17

Hey, I like Benny Hill. Martti Ahtisaari can be manly and can still look like him.

Benny is still funnier though.

I want to go out like my Grandpa did. Peacefully in his sleep.
Not screaming in terror like his passengers.

Zero2Cool
Elite Member

14 years ago

#18

I would rank them by their QB rating. Faver is 14th and Rodgers is 1st. Just 'cause I know it drives Faver fans nuts.

"Packers_Finland" wrote:

"Dexter_Sinister" wrote:

QB A Rating - 79.16
QB B Rating - 81.94

I think I'm fundamentally confused here ...

IronMan
Veteran Member

14 years ago

#19

Yeah, Sanchez blows.

Packers_Finland
Registered Topic Starter

14 years ago

#20

I would rank them by their QB rating. Faver is 14th and Rodgers is 1st. Just 'cause I know it drives Faver fans nuts.

"Zero2Cool" wrote:

"Packers_Finland" wrote:

QB A Rating - 79.16
QB B Rating - 81.94

I think I'm fundamentally confused here ...

"Dexter_Sinister" wrote:

Really? Well then one of us made a math error. I'm guessing it's me.

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