Pack93z
15 years ago

Union or non union, this guys facts/story does not add up.

"all_about_da_packers" wrote:



Totally agree.

"RaiderPride" wrote:



So tell me why MM comments hold more truth... is there someone that witnessed this "conversation"? Is he more credible, and if so, why?

Again.. get ahead of this PR crap and save the Packers Franchise the pain of this story running wild.
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dfosterf
15 years ago
We were saying the exact same things during a certain "fiasco".

Fair has nothing to do with anything.

The national media is going to couple the handling of this little dust up with how the Packers organization handled the last one.


Game?

Forget the game. This is a better story. The undoing of a head coach due to a petty retaliation against a 22 yr employee for making a comment, which

AT PRESENT

is the employee's version of the comment.

This MORON of a head coach simply needs to tell the media (presently local, in 24 hours national) what was said.

The SMART thing to do, if there is ANY GREY AREA as to the legitimacy of this termination, is to un-terminate the man...as in say, about 15 seconds after this story hit the papers.

OR

EXPLAIN it------



FAST.


None of this is happening.

Game?

What game?

Watch...just watch. Skip Bayliss, Chris Collingsworth, Rome is burning, yada yada yada


GO INTERVIEW THE OTHER GROUNDSKEEPERS!!!!!
Zero2Cool
15 years ago
Haven't read too many more posts since page three or so. I see we are on page 7. I'm convinced that fans just like to bitch. Maybe this is a good convo, maybe its not. I just can't imagine there's nothing else to talk about for 7 pages, but the unfortunate termination of a 22 year employed maintenance person.

It's unfortunate.
We don't know the whole truth.
We can speculate all day, or 7 plus pages.
Fact is, we won't know.

Sound familiar?

I'm hoping we're being more civil in this debate than in others in the past. It's the middle of the football season and I'd rather talk Packers football, not Packers maintenance staff. I'll see if I can find other threads that are worth ones time.
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nerdmann
15 years ago

lol I can't remember such drastic over reaction before. Amusing.

From what I've learned. Mike McCarthy told the supervisor he thought he heard someone say don't lay an egg.

Supervisor says we can't have that, we have to let you go.

Wood is subsequently let go.


I didn't see where it said that Mike McCarthy asked for Wood to be fired or anything like that. Let's just blast Mike McCarthy though. I'm down for that. I'm tired of him anyway!

Really though, after hearing Mike McCarthy talk about "clean it up" every week, are we surprised he may have had a hand in the "cleaning" staff? :)

"Zero2Cool" wrote:




MM admits that they "exchanged comments." Then he admits that he called the guy's supervisor.
When asked if he ordered the firing, he said no.
When asked if he recommended the firing, he said, "It was a one minute conversation." To me, that's a yes.
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Pack93z
15 years ago
Why should one care or discuss it.. because it is becoming another black mark on the Packers organization.. and personally things like that matter to me as a fan of the franchise.

I was once a diehard Cowboy fan in my youth because I respected how Tom Laundry went about his business and the class he held himself in. When Jerry Jones bought the franchise and basically threw Laundry out the door with little thought.. my passion turned from a fan of the franchise to despising the hell out of Jerry Jones. I was a teenager at the time.. and after all these years I still hold the same opinion and dislike for Jones. He just has added to it over the years.

So to answer the question of why discuss it for seven pages, because to some of us, these types of matters matter.

I am personally sick of watching my beloved franchise chastised in the press.
"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"
dfosterf
15 years ago

Haven't read too many more posts since page three or so. I see we are on page 7. I'm convinced that fans just like to bitch. Maybe this is a good convo, maybe its not. I just can't imagine there's nothing else to talk about for 7 pages, but the unfortunate termination of a 22 year employed maintenance person.

It's unfortunate.
We don't know the whole truth.
We can speculate all day, or 7 plus pages.
Fact is, we won't know.

Sound familiar?

I'm hoping we're being more civil in this debate than in others in the past. It's the middle of the football season and I'd rather talk Packers football, not Packers maintenance staff. I'll see if I can find other threads that are worth ones time.

"Zero2Cool" wrote:




You can view this as your fellow members just looking for something to bitch about.

Here is what I am seeing.

I just went through all of the "biggies" web-site-wise, regarding the NFL. This story is on the front page of every single one.

The theme?

Employee said something. He got fired. Head coach will not say what was said to get him fired.


I will repeat. This IS ridiculous. The WHY it is ridiculous is the most ridiculous part of the story.

The "not telling the reason/what was said" is going to BURN this organization, media-wise... my prediction.

Edit---

Pack93z

LOL LOL LOL Here we go AGAIN!

You and I, typing practically the same shit at the same time, becoming outraged about something in perfect synchronization, while others "pooh pooh" our collective hand-wringing. Remember the Crabtree/Raji one? lol


In a week, when McCarthy is fired and Dom leads us to a winless remainder of the season, the franchise roundly laughed at by all, FA's refusing to come here, fanbase shrivelled to nothingness (OK, a tad bit over-the-top, lol)

THEN they will see why we went the 7 pages, lol...and create the 100 in hindsight, when we saw it coming 8 hours prior to this post.
Wade
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15 years ago

I have personally seen long time employees become bitter, complaining, cancers, after 22 years on the job.

"RaiderPride" wrote:



So have I. And sometimes it has been because management has screwed up. Organizations and the quality of their culture can be fragile places. And sometimes the "great places to work" are the most fragile. Especially if those great places are also places where the management is top down in a big way.

There are two kinds of questions involved here:
1. Whether the Wood dude deserved what he got or not.
2. Whether the Packer organization is handling the Wood case correctly or not.

Part of #2 is "should they have fired him?" But only part. Part of it is managing the individual worker correctly. But part of it is managing the organization correctly. And if you're going to manage in a hierarchical way, the latter means people above Wood AND people in public positions (which includes McCarthy even if he isn't in Wood's chain of command) paying attention to how they speak publicly.

If you're in a position of influence, and McCarthy is, words have consequences. Yeah, in a perfect world, we'd have better journalism and fans not getting on his case about things they shouldn't get on his case about. But we don't live in a perfect world; and Mike, if he wants to get the big bucks, needs to do better. And, more importantly, the Packer hierarchy needs to do better.

People usually don't just "become cancers" overnight. They do so for a reason. Sometimes that is because something else in their lives has gone pear-shaped, or because something in their brain (serotonin uptake or whatever). And sometimes that reason is because they've been around long enough to see the organization becoming a different kind of place to work, and because they've invested a large part of their lives and themselves in the "old place", a place that "current management" has fucked with.

IF there's just one instance of "bitterness", it's a good bet that its something outside the organization that is the problem. But if there's more than one, it's a better bet that there's something wrong internally. And each example doesn't just increase the probability that the problem is organization, it increases it at an increasing rate.

Especially when you have a organization whose identity has for a long time been built around "family" or "community" notions. All organizations talk about being those things, but some places actually are that way.

But don't stay that way. And while those "inside" know it isn't the same as it used to be, the public image as a "special place" can persist for some time.

If I might be permitted an analogy: it's easy to see how dysfunctional the Raiders organization is....now. And it's easy to see that it's been that way for awhile now. But here's a question: when did it become so?

I can't answer that question. I'm not only outside of the Raiders organization, I really don't care a whole lot about the answer enough to look at the history. But I'm pretty sure that it was dysfunctional well before anyone started to notice and at a time when people outside were still talking about it being a "special organization".

Were this the only example of a disgruntled employee, I wouldn't be worried. Were this the only example of management speak and bad public handling of a disgruntled employee, I wouldn't be worried. Heck even if it were just this and the Voldemort example, I wouldn't be particularly bothered. But it isn't just one or two isolated examples any more.

And that does trouble me.

A lot.
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all_about_da_packers
15 years ago

If you are going to belittle the opinions based upon Mike Wood's comments, then how can you take Mike McCarthy comments and be more convinced.

"pack93z" wrote:




Fair criticism, point taken.

To blame MM in this matter is premature; I'll concede to accepting McCarthy's words at face value is premature too.


I hope MM is not as deeply involved in this as the story suggests.

Totally agree that the organization should clear this matter soon.
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nerdmann
15 years ago

Zero,.......i was making a JOKE!!!
As in "Mike McCarthy doesn't DO anything!"
Get it now?

"Zero2Cool" wrote:



I want him to do something.
Leave.
And take the damn ZBS with him.

"Cheesey" wrote:




LOL. F'n zBS.
I think that's the main reason I favor hiring Cowher. He's the opposite of a zBS type guys. He's a smashmouth coach who likes bigger stronger guys on both sides of the LOS.
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nerdmann
15 years ago

Suppose the guy said something that was truly unacceptable, e.g. something like "Hey McCarthy, you asshole, how come you don't get on those asshole OL's for being asshole useless"? Why, after he said "all I said was this innocuous thing here", didn't they say, "he didn't say something innocuous, he was disrespectful and insubordinate"? That they didn't do this suggests to me either:

"Wade" wrote:



Yeah because entering a he said, she said thing publicly is so professional!

I don't agree with that theory as it assumes the person giving the official statement was aware of the wording used in the article.

"Zero2Cool" wrote:



Two things:
1. Quoting the "corporate policy" is what PR people do. It isn't what company leaders should be doing.
2. It's part of the job description for those who "give official statements": know what the fuck is being said out there before taking an official stance.

*We* shouldn't be expected to know. The Packer admin should. Or someone (else) at 1265 is not doing their job.

"Wade" wrote:




Bring back Ari Fleischer!
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