Again, you say it happens all the time, so give me 3 examples of people that believe everything Mike says. I don't recall ever seeing it. Just because coaches lie, doesn't mean they always lie. Mike was telling the truth when he said Lacey has a weight problem. So if you said Lacy didn't, I might say I believe Mike over you, too. So your general statement with out the background doesn't count.
Originally Posted by: Barfarn
There was a poster here who used to go by "play2win". I'm sure he's still here and really never left but that moniker never showed itself again. I've always had strong suspicions as to who that is but that's a digression. Oh, and that same guy said Davante Adams was better than Sterling Sharpe. All buoyed by the pre-season MVP talk from MM and 12 and so on. The koolaid is really taken to heart. MM dispenses the koolaid and it's lapped up and causes the highest of highs.
Back to play2win... He used to post that Jarrett Boykin was better than Alshon Jeffery. We would get into it regarding that opinion and he would quote MM saying that he wasn't higher on anyone in this building than Jarrett Boykin. Boykin was cut a short time after that never to be heard from again. You see, what MM says, negates what you see. Not that different than you telling me how my eyes betray me and are no basis for saying anything because you have the data backed film study approach.
The above was one, another is, Dom Capers. This has been an ongoing one for years. Fans will say over and over that if MM keeps him around he must be good. That was buoyed last year by MM's words toward Dom Capers sticking around and has been every time MM defends him. Ironically, those same folks will tell you Ted Thompson is a god and we're so lucky to have him. I guess they don't realize both things can't be true? Either Ted sucks at providing talent or Dom is a terrible D. Coord.
MM told our fans that he was a highly successful coach. The regular season winning and playoff appearances cause many to say MM is a great coach. Now, he has a real challenge. No GOAT QB to hide his deficiencies.
MM will defend our "process" so guess what...here come the fans defending the process. Doesn't matter that we never add great FA's. We trust our process.
You can bet if I was on this forum hollering about how Aaron Jones was the best back and needed to play all I would get in return is...MM is a great football coach. He knows what he's doing.
Go check out the other Packers forums. You will find many of them are very close to a cult if not an actual online version. You will see, "I think I'll go with Mike McCarthy over what you have to say". It's cute.
We're going to be fine with Seneca and or Scott and now Brett because MM is a great QB coach and brilliant mind. You don't think those kinds of posts are out there? Nerd posted stuff like that. He's still posting stuff like that. Why? Nerd parrots what MM has to say. Of course, you could holler that I was positive on Hundley. I was...it had nothing to do with anything MM had to say. It has to do with what I remember seeing of him during his 1st pre-season. As exciting of a player as we had around here in a long long time. Hurt his ankle next off-season and has never looked as good as he did then.
I wanted Tony Romo to be contacted by the Packers when Rodgers went down. Too many fans just believe that MM's "got this". It ain't been pretty and it hasn't been over the years when 12 is gone.
As for Buck...
In a lot of ways, Buck is fighting for the control that wpr alleged. That was one of the greatest posts ever on this forum, btw. Kudos, wpr. Buck likes the cult tight knit where everyone thinks nothing but the best of the Packers. Reality never squares well with cult thinking and it causes grave upset. Why do you think he lashes out as he does every time I decide to post some Packers reality? He goes on about ignore buttons for those who have opinions that you don't like but is always commenting on what I have to say? I must conclude he likes my opinions?
Buck knows he's a homer. Everyone knows that a homer, by definition, lacks objectivity. They have to see the good in everything with their team. The team will win every game. The coaching is great. The GM'ing is great. The gameplans are great...each player is great. It's really warped thinking but it's safe and fun and needs protecting. People who pierce that cloud are to be shunned and discredited. I admire Buck's enthusiasm. I really do. I do think it's sad when he tries getting into debates with anyone. There's no objectivity. It's all Packers flattering every single time making him, due to his homerness, incapable of true debate.
We're all different. I just wish when I posted I didn't have to watch him act as he does. I'm clearly in his head. He should be charging me rent. I would never ever bring his name up if he could learn to keep my name off his fingertips. He clearly can't control himself. He is the very reason I don't like to post in season. I don't want to upset his fragile psyche and want him to enjoy the reality that exists when I'm not here questioning it.
As to the topic, we looked at Hoyer because we looked at Hundley and don't like what we see. Aaron has a real chance to get back Week 15. We need to win a few games vs. a pretty soft schedule. A legit backup could probably get it done. If MM can't get Hundley to lead us there then the org needs to face the music. OL is back. Aaron Jones is running like a star. We have this "great WR corps" that fans of the Packers love bragging about. We have MM who is such a great coach and we have the great GM Ted Thompson who traded up for him. Why would we not be able to win a few games with Hundley? It makes no sense that we shouldn't with all these Packer positive factors in our corner. If it doesn't happen...Why didn't it happen? It will never be MM or TT's fault...ever...to some, like Buck. It's somebody's fault but we'll just not ever open our eyes to look because doing so would force us out of our comfort zone as a fan.
MNF is it. If Hundley doesn't look any better or regresses. MM and Ted Thompson are heavily culpable for his failing.
Ted Thompson sits on his hands per former GM: "because they’ve had 25 fricking years of great quarterbacks. Of course it works. Try it without a special quarterback."