dfosterf
2 years ago
All of that is well and good, but it makes assumptions I would characterize as "not in evidence". 

We do not know what impact this different narrative emerging will have on the continued negotiations. I would submit that it is extremely difficult to find a positive ramification of any kind by speaking to these matters prior to consummation of a contract. While it might be refreshing to us as fans to hear from Gute his side of the story, and I definitely believe him, I have yet to see any posititive result from having done so thus far. 
What good did it do right now?

Answer:

None, other than he wanted to get it off his chest. Understandably so, but this could and should have been held in abeyance. He accomplished nothing at the maximum by airing this before a trade. That's right- at the maximum vs. minimum. 

And since we are making assumptions here, I have one. 

I'm going to assume that one of the so-called journalists comes up with the bright idea of asking the Jets GM his plan of action when Rodgers decides to not answer his phone calls. 

I'll assume he's gonna love that question, lol


I'm also going to assume that since Rodgers and Gute ran their mouths in this he said she said manner, the Jets are going to want draft compensation from us if Rodgers doesn't play in 2024. Put that in your "big boy negotiations" or words to that effect pipe and smoke it. That will be JUST great, sitting around waiting for Aaron to come out of the jungle or closet or wherever,  while we as Packer fans wait to find out if we're losing a draft pick, at least in part to an airing of all this waffling by Rodgers, due at least in part by our highly fleecable GM running his big yap.

Its my prediction. 




 
Zero2Cool
2 years ago

All of that is well and good, but it makes assumptions I would characterize as "not in evidence". 

We do not know what impact this different narrative emerging will have on the continued negotiations. I would submit that it is extremely difficult to find a positive ramification of any kind by speaking to these matters prior to consummation of a contract. While it might be refreshing to us as fans to hear from Gute his side of the story, and I definitely believe him, I have yet to see any posititive result from having done so thus far. 
What good did it do right now?

Answer:

None, other than he wanted to get it off his chest. Understandably so, but this could and should have been held in abeyance. He accomplished nothing at the maximum by airing this before a trade. That's right- at the maximum vs. minimum. 

And since we are making assumptions here, I have one. 

I'm going to assume that one of the so-called journalists comes up with the bright idea of asking the Jets GM his plan of action when Rodgers decides to not answer his phone calls. 

I'll assume he's gonna love that question, lol

I'm also going to assume that since Rodgers and Gute ran their mouths in this he said she said manner, the Jets are going to want draft compensation from us if Rodgers doesn't play in 2024. Put that in your "big boy negotiations" or words to that effect pipe and smoke it. That will be JUST great, sitting around waiting for Aaron to come out of the jungle or closet or wherever,  while we as Packer fans wait to find out if we're losing a draft pick, at least in part to an airing of all this waffling by Rodgers, due at least in part by our highly fleecable GM running his big yap.

Its my prediction.  

Originally Posted by: dfosterf 



If your summation is it would have been better to not speak on it (ala Matt LaFleur) today? I agree. However, I just do not think anything he said has any bearing whatsoever in the negotiations. 

Of what I've heard Aaron Rodgers say and Brian Gutekunst say. The only piece that really hits home in what can be used in negotiations is Rodgers saying he was 90% retired before his darkness retreat. Common sense and logic have taken over. But, if someone wants to give examples, I am absolutely open to hearing them and how they change negotiations.

I would love to hear the GM's answer to your question! haha. However, it'll probably be "Aaron and I have a great relationship, I do not envision that being a problem". Just another way to zing the Packers and get further in the good graces of 12.

Our fleecable GM? You mean, the one that fleeced the Saints who had the great head coach Sean Payton? 

It's so weird how grown adults get so petty over humans they have never met and really do not know personally in any shape or form. Then again, I hate the Cowboys for the 90's so who the heck am I to talk!!
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dfosterf
2 years ago
Calling Gute fleecable is not petty.  It is an opinion. They just signed Rodgers to a 150 million and change contract extension with 100 million guaranteed that runs until 2026. That contract is pretty much prima facie evidence of a fleece job by Rodgers and his agent, especially in light of its impact on this proposed trade. 
As to all the other aspects of Gute opting to effectively call Aaron a liar- a reasonable interpretation of what he did- 
I have zero problem with that, practically predicted it would happen, just wish he would have waited to do so until after he was traded. Because he didn't, we have no idea what is coming down the pike next. Will it be a trade announcement? Will it be some tit from Aaron for Gute's tat? Who the hell knows. Gute should in fact have done what MLF did, which is kiss Aaron's ass. Just because you don't have any insight into how this could possibly negatively impact trade negotiations doesn't mean it will not. 
As to what he said, I found it artful, matter-of-fact and refreshing. It was just too soon and served no purpose. Some people have difficulty in picking up nuanced arguments. (See what I did there?) 😆 
Zero2Cool
2 years ago

Calling Gute fleecable is not petty.  It is an opinion. They just signed Rodgers to a 150 million and change contract extension with 100 million guaranteed that runs until 2026. That contract is pretty much prima facie evidence of a fleece job by Rodgers and his agent, especially in light of its impact on this proposed trade. 
As to all the other aspects of Gute opting to effectively call Aaron a liar- a reasonable interpretation of what he did- 
I have zero problem with that, practically predicted it would happen, just wish he would have waited to do so until after he was traded. Because he didn't, we have no idea what is coming down the pike next. Will it be a trade announcement? Will it be some tit from Aaron for Gute's tat? Who the hell knows. Gute should in fact have done what MLF did, which is kiss Aaron's ass. Just because you don't have any insight into how this could possibly negatively impact trade negotiations doesn't mean it will not. 
As to what he said, I found it artful, matter-of-fact and refreshing. It was just too soon and served no purpose. Some people have difficulty in picking up nuanced arguments. (See what I did there?) 😆 

Originally Posted by: dfosterf 



Ah, so you're thinking the contract that Russ Ball wrote up and Mark Murphy approved for Aaron Rodgers is how Brian Gutekunst got fleeced? I have to say you are right. Aaron Rodgers and his agent(s) fleeced the entire organization. Did any of us think that contract was good when it was first announced? I think every single one of us were like ...umm WTF?

True, you have no insight on how the comments from Gutekunst could negatively impact the trade negotiations.

Hey, don't worry that you cannot pick up on things. You have a busy life that you're living to the fullest! You ain't got time for this frivolous crap! 

You said you are fine with the comments from Gutekunst, but just wish they came post the trade. I respect that, but I think those folks saying that would also be first in line to say "let it go, he's gone, it's over, move on", so really, there just isn't pleasing some folks who like to yell at the clouds for amusement. 
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