Should Dom Capers be the Green Bay Packers defensive coordinator in 2014?· Page 9

Zero2Cool
Elite Member

10 years ago

Most of us want a top ten defense.

Originally Posted by: DakotaT

I want a defense that consistently keeps teams UNDER 20 points per game. The yards mean nothing to me. They can give up 300 or 400 a game as long as they keep the opponent under 20 points consistently.

PackFanWithTwins
Veteran Member

10 years ago

#82

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool

Well only 6 defenses kept opposing tesms under 20 points average this year

The world needs ditch diggers too Danny!!!

wpr
Preferred Member

10 years ago

#83

What adjustments should he have made? He has played, pretty much every player he has available in different combinations. I don't know what else schematically he could do.

I could see saying he needs to be replaced because the players are not responding to him anymore possibly.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins

Ultimately players being out of position are the coaches fault. If they are 10 years old and playing out of position I would give the coach a pass. These are grown men who have played the game for how many years? At least 10.

Probably not the same position all the time but they know each other's responsibilities. If the DE doesn't know where the LB behind him is lined up and where his area of responsibility on a specific coverage he should not be in the NFL. Same for the CB and S. They know where each other are going to be. So even if Lattimore hasn't been a OLB his whole life he knows what the OLB is suppose to do.

In week 17 of the season after OTAs and TC and preseason it falls to the coaching staff to make sure everyone is doing their job. Since Greene is the OLB coach he is first. But Capers is accountable too.

wpr
Preferred Member

10 years ago

#84

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool

yards = opportunity.
yards= player fatigue.
yards mean your offense can't score.
yards means doubt sets in.

I want a defense that gives up 200 yards a game. Try and score from your own side of the 50.

BTW GB was 25 in total yards allowed and 24th in points allowed. They correlate.

wpr
Preferred Member

10 years ago

#85

Just did a quick look. The top 5 teams on defense points also were the top 5 teams in defense yards.
Seattle, Carolina, Cincinnati and SF.

The top 5 in points given up, 3 also gave up the most yards.

Minn, Chicago and Jacksonville.

Washington and Oakland gave up the points but did so with fewer yards allowed. Both were still bottom half teams in yards.
edit- I forgot to included New Orleans. top 5

play2win
Senior Member

10 years ago

#86

I want the Packers to have a top rated D as much as anybody. We just haven't seen it thus far, but if we are going to see them play to that level, I'd rather we see it in the playoffs!

DakotaT
Select Member

10 years ago

#87

Originally Posted by: wpr

More facts, huh? How the hell can you be a Republican? [grin1]

Stop beating these guys down, Wayne. That's my job.

PackFanWithTwins
Veteran Member

10 years ago

#88

Originally Posted by: wpr

Sure he is accountable, but if the players are screwing up is a different coach telling them where they are suppose to be going to make them stop screwing up? Fans have been calling for more time for Lattimore, and now maybe we see why he wasn't getting more.

I wouldn't be upset if he gets fired, and I also wouldn't be upset if he is retained. If we say the players are not playing for him anymore like they did in 09' 10'. Than fine find somebody who they will play for (not sure who). But other than that, I don't know what else Capers should have don't or not done this year.

The world needs ditch diggers too Danny!!!

wpr
Preferred Member

10 years ago

#89

I want the Packers to have a top rated D as much as anybody. We just haven't seen it thus far, but if we are going to see them play to that level, I'd rather we see it in the playoffs!

Originally Posted by: play2win

You can't just flip a switch and expect different results. What you have seen is what you will continue to see.

More facts, huh? How the hell can you be a Republican? [grin1]

Stop beating these guys down, Wayne. That's my job.

Originally Posted by: DakotaT

I am not a Publican. I am neutered I mean neutral. In small town IL you only have Republican candidates. same as in the BIG City, they only have Demmy Cats.

Both sides have totally let everyone down. Both sides are grabbing as much money as they can stuff down their pants.

I probably won't ever vote again as it just doesn't matter.

Sure he is accountable, but if the players are screwing up is a different coach telling them where they are suppose to be going to make them stop screwing up? Fans have been calling for more time for Lattimore, and now maybe we see why he wasn't getting more.

I wouldn't be upset if he gets fired, and I also wouldn't be upset if he is retained. If we say the players are not playing for him anymore like they did in 09' 10'. Than fine find somebody who they will play for (not sure who). But other than that, I don't know what else Capers should have don't or not done this year.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins

there you go. Makes the discussion a whole lot easier when we agree. [grin1]

As for more playing time for Lattimore- I wasn't begging for it. I have not been enthralled with his play up to now.

DoddPower
Veteran Member

10 years ago

#90

Of course it's not ENTIRELY Capers fault, nor is it entirely Ted Thompson's fault. It's a combination of everything. But from my perspective, Capers has still done a pretty bad job, often when it matters most. I also think he SHOULD have been getting more out of the talent he has. This season has been pretty rough with injuries yet again, but it's not a new thing. Capers has had enough talent to at least maintain an average defense, especially with the Packers offense in recent years. I just think it's time for a fresh start to give someone else a chance. These things happen. The Packers defense isn't going to become the Seahawks or 49'ers in terms of talent in the next year or so, so they need a coach that can maximize the production out of the talent available. It's worth the risk to try to find that coach, imo. Even if the coach isn't that great, I can't imagine him being much worse than Capers, so I don't see much harm in attempting to find a better coach.

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