TheKanataThrilla
12 years ago

It might be convenient to think Matt Flynn wouldn't sign a franchise tender for over $14 million, but he would be essentially insane not to. Consider his options: Sign with a team desperate for a quarterback (meaning it sucks) for $7-$10 million a year, probably not make much of a difference in the team's record, get blamed for its every failure, and risk career-ending injury as a starter -- or stick around a winning team, making twice as much, risking almost nothing, and maintaining the illusion of deep wells of untapped potential?

Originally Posted by: Nonstopdrivel 



$14M to sit the pine or go to a team that hasn't had a good QB since Bernie Kosar.
Zero2Cool
12 years ago
If I was Matt Flynn ... and franchised ... if no team offered me more than $12-$15 million guaranteed, I'd stick with the Packers and play out the last half of the 4th quarter of games, collect another ring and bank a cool $14 million in my bank.

Packers are trying to use Matt Flynn to better himself, why shouldn't Matt flip it?


For those who are slow (vikesrule, hi) ... I'm saying the Packers will be blowing people out and Aaron Rodgers will be sitting around the 7-8 minute mark and the Packers are going to win the Super Bowl this upcoming season. 🙂
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DakotaT
12 years ago
Well in order to tag and retain Flynn at a cool $14M - then all of you are going have to be on board with letting the Packer geriatric crew go. Can't have everything ladies. Cap room needs to be made.
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Zero2Cool
12 years ago

Well in order to tag and retain Flynn at a cool $14M - then all of you are going have to be on board with letting the Packer geriatric crew go. Can't have everything ladies. Cap room needs to be made.

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 



And that's why I don't see the reward outweighing the risk of franchising Matt Flynn ... and why I don't believe it will happen.
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vikesrule
12 years ago

...For those who are slow (vikesrule, hi) ... I'm saying the Packers will be blowing people out and Aaron Rodgers will be sitting around the 7-8 minute mark and the Packers are going to win the Super Bowl this upcoming season. :)

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



Care to make a very significant wager on that "Aaron Rodgers will be sitting around the 7-8 minute mark and the Packers are going to win the Super Bowl this upcoming season"comment?

Or is this just a case of your alligator mouth not being supported by your canary ass.[grin1]
DakotaT
12 years ago

Care to make a very significant wager on that "Aaron Rodgers will be sitting around the 7-8 minute mark and the Packers are going to win the Super Bowl this upcoming season"comment?

Or is this just a case of your alligator mouth not being supported by your canary ass.[grin1]

Originally Posted by: vikesrule 



That's all you have is making wagers. If you actually had to work for your money - you wouldn't even be willing to do that, Dumbass. [grin1] [mfing]
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lolleren
12 years ago

If I was Matt Flynn ... and franchised ... if no team offered me more than $12-$15 million guaranteed, I'd stick with the Packers and play out the last half of the 4th quarter of games, collect another ring and bank a cool $14 million in my bank.

Packers are trying to use Matt Flynn to better himself, why shouldn't Matt flip it?


For those who are slow (vikesrule, hi) ... I'm saying the Packers will be blowing people out and Aaron Rodgers will be sitting around the 7-8 minute mark and the Packers are going to win the Super Bowl this upcoming season. :)

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



But the reality of it is that the contract with the other team will be worked out before he is tagged, so where is the risk of him pocketing the 14m to sit on the bench?

I am in no way saying it will happen, but I refuse to believe that during the combine Ted hasnt been talking to see if there is a tag'n trade to be made. If no teams wants to handover the draftpick + the big $$ guaranteed and rather take their chance in a bidding war, then he will walk. However if a teams calls up Ted, we want him and this is the pick youll get... And that team allready have reached out to Flynns agent. I dont see how that secnario is much less likely.
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Zero2Cool
12 years ago

But the reality of it is that the contract with the other team will be worked out before he is tagged, so where is the risk of him pocketing the 14m to sit on the bench?

Originally Posted by: lolleren 



The NFL is a business. To think there is no risk is extremely naive. It is shrewd for a team to franchise a player, just to trade him. No question, it can happen, but there's still a lot of risk involved as I have outlined several times, as others have.

Ted Thompson keeps things very hush hush. Let's not forget that, however, lets not forget he did franchise and trade Corey Williams.

I think the ideal situation would be. Matt Flynn tells the Packers which teams he wants to play for. The Packers talk to said teams. If compensation is agreed, then the team talks to Matt Flynn's agent and work out a contract.

I'm not sure of the penalties of doing this with the new CBA, if any at all. But what I outlined goes directly against the CBA's use and intent of the franchise tag.


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Pack93z
12 years ago
Why do players resist the franchise tag... because it eliminates their ability to hit the market and create a "bidding" war which might nab a long term deal with huge up front bonus money upon inking the contract.

So lets say the Packers tag Flynn to assist another team in pinning him in on a contract without the "bidding" war and thus potentially pulling dollars away from Flynn because of said lack of bidding war.

Basically the Packers are possibly harming Flynn's potential earnings in this case.

So if I am Flynn and that deal this new team is presenting is less than what my agent thinks is available via the open market.. my backup option is simply ink the tag and force the Packers to either pay me that number for a year or release me (costly option by the way). The could always trade him during the season, but that would require the team agreeing to a deal with Flynn and again making it worth is while not to hit the open market again in 2013.

So lets review.. the Packers tag Flynn.. first they must have the cap space to cover. At the moment, it would put us right around the limit.. and probably force our hand in terms of say a Clifton or Driver. It would also limit our options once FA starts, but Teddy rarely is active early in FA, so that may not be the biggest issue, but would limit our options just the same.

Second they must have complete faith the other team(s) are willing to pay up, make a suitable offer to Flynn to make it worth his signature, and they must be willing to pay significantly more than the compensatory pick the Packers will receive in Flynn walks in Free Agency and is signed to starter money.

Reality is, Flynn controls this situation now that he has earned free agency.. and honestly the Packers have very little leverage because of the high tag numbers afforded to the "glory boy" QB's.



You are correct that the Packers will not be left empty handed with Flynn leaving this season, it is called compensatory compensation via a draft pick.

That is unless the market for Flynn never materializes and he decides his best bet is another year of seasoning in Green Bay, then hitting the market again in 2013.
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lolleren
12 years ago

The NFL is a business. To think there is no risk is extremely naive. It is shrewd for a team to franchise a player, just to trade him. No question, it can happen, but there's still a lot of risk involved as I have outlined several times, as others have.

Ted Thompson keeps things very hush hush. Let's not forget that, however, lets not forget he did franchise and trade Corey Williams.

I think the ideal situation would be. Matt Flynn tells the Packers which teams he wants to play for. The Packers talk to said teams. If compensation is agreed, then the team talks to Matt Flynn's agent and work out a contract.

I'm not sure of the penalties of doing this with the new CBA, if any at all. But what I outlined goes directly against the CBA's use and intent of the franchise tag.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 


I dont see much of a risk i must admit. Agreed as Pack93z says that there must be faith in the other team to make good on the offer and follow through, but dont tell me Ted doesnt have an idea who he can trust and who he cant.

Granted there is a loss of draftpick penalty i assume inline with tampering, both on our side but also on the team that has to discuss money with Flynns agent, but this is common practice in the nfl, and penalties is basicly only handed down if it is done too openly.



Why do players resist the franchise tag... because it eliminates their ability to hit the market and create a "bidding" war which might nab a long term deal with huge up front bonus money upon inking the contract.

So lets say the Packers tag Flynn to assist another team in pinning him in on a contract without the "bidding" war and thus potentially pulling dollars away from Flynn because of said lack of bidding war.

Basically the Packers are possibly harming Flynn's potential earnings in this case.

So if I am Flynn and that deal this new team is presenting is less than what my agent thinks is available via the open market.. my backup option is simply ink the tag and force the Packers to either pay me that number for a year or release me (costly option by the way). The could always trade him during the season, but that would require the team agreeing to a deal with Flynn and again making it worth is while not to hit the open market again in 2013.

Originally Posted by: Pack93z 


No players resist the franchise tag to be forced to play on a one year deal, with no long term financial security.
In tag'n trade cases like this Flynns agent allready have feelers out with most of the potential suitors to see where they are contract numbers wise, and Flynns agent more than likely have approached teams with numbers for the opening negotiation.



Reality is, Flynn controls this situation now that he has earned free agency.. and honestly the Packers have very little leverage because of the high tag numbers afforded to the "glory boy" QB's.



You are correct that the Packers will not be left empty handed with Flynn leaving this season, it is called compensatory compensation via a draft pick.

That is unless the market for Flynn never materializes and he decides his best bet is another year of seasoning in Green Bay, then hitting the market again in 2013.

Originally Posted by: Pack93z 


I agree, Flynn is basicly in control, he decides where he wants to go, but i think people are to quick to dismiss the tag'n trade on the wrong reasons.
Yes the cap room is an obstacle, but clifton and driver will not be brought back at the current contract anyways.
The threat of another year as a backup is almost hollow with the financial implications for the packers, but i still think its viable. Very few athletes get to this point in their carreer without a drive to succeed, win and first of all to play. I think the threat of a insanly highpriced backup is pretty big to spend another year without getting that shot at starting when you are this close? Granted the injuri risk is low, but still there is more security in a 5 year deal with 25 mill guaranteed.

Overall i agree with these points on why it wont get done, but i think alot of the other reasons about "Ted doesnt do business that way", "its a against the rules", "there is a risk by tagging him without knowing if there is market" etc. those are off target.
I dont know if there is that kind of market for Flynn, will he be payed like a starter, or get a prove it first kind of deal. No idea, but assuming there is a starter money market, i still say its just as likely to be a tag'n trade for a second rounder or late first round, as it is getting a late 3rd rounder comp pick.


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