lolleren
13 years ago

That's something I don't think I ever saw mentioned on this site: Even to house Flynn for a few days in the event of the pipe dream tag-n-trade coming to fruition, the Packers would have been forced to cut several players to free up cap room. As Seifert points out , the most the Packers would have netted would have been a 2nd-round pick, and given that they may receive a 3rd-round compensatory pick for Flynn, that would have represented a net gain of perhaps 60 draft slots. That is not much of a reward for such a huge risk. Ted Thompson made the right poker move as usual.

Sounds like Wells may be as good as gone, too.

Packers fans sure are an optimistic bunch. It's kind of charming in its own way, but it means we keep plowing this same ground every offseason.

Originally Posted by: Nonstopdrivel 



I still dont think its much of a poker move, if he havent been looking to see if it was an option he wouldnt have been doing his job. That he didnt tag him just means there was no partners willing to pay up, simple as that.
If he had tagged him without having a trading partner lined up, then he would have made a poker move...


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Pack93z
13 years ago

That's something I don't think I ever saw mentioned on this site: Even to house Flynn for a few days in the event of the pipe dream tag-n-trade coming to fruition, the Packers would have been forced to cut several players to free up cap room.

Originally Posted by: Nonstopdrivel 




I guess I wasn't clear enough.. Page 2. ;)

Other posts I pointed out that we were going to gain much in a trade situation if Flynn signs a big deal and/or becomes a starter. Compensatory picks.

Here is the big difference in the scenario... the QB position is so ridiculous in the tag numbers verses most other positions and the fact that the Packers don't have a ton of cap space currently.

Even cutting loose a player like Clifton would still not give the Packers the flexibility in FA that one would like. Not the Ted will use it, but it basically cuts down the options.

Can they create more space.. sure they can, but creating space now comes at a cost later, it always does.. so basically you are pushing off problems onto tomorrow, that Ted doesn't do frequently.


Quarterbacks - 2012 projected tag numbers 








An the "naive" part... you seriously don't think Flynn would sign a one year deal for 12 to 14 million if the numbers offered by other teams don't come remotely close to that number?

What does he have to really lose by doing so? One year of starting?

He is a backup that barring a major injury puts himself at little risk of being injured or hurting his market value.

Do I think Flynn is going to garner a 10 million per season offer? Maybe someone pulls an Arizona and overpays.. but I think history tells us that it doesn't pay off often to overpay in FA. The odds probably are worse than drafting in the top 10 before the new CBA was put into place.

To me.. the risk outweighs the reward in tagging Flynn and hoping a market is there. Unless we have an illegal wink nod agreement in place already, which I don't think Ted does much of.

The other factor in this game is what would be the return on trading Flynn. Sure we might find a team desperate enough to overpay as well in trade chips. But reality is that Flynn doesn't have enough proven game experience under his belt to garner that can't miss type of gamble from another team. Kolb is a lesson there.. If someone steps up and pays Flynn we win in compensatory pick. If he goes on and starts for another team we win in terms of a compensatory pick. Sure we are limited in the windfall we may gain.. but the risk is very low.

Some are pointing to Cassel.. major difference.. Cassel played an entire season and was consistent, not great by any means, over the course of that season. Sure you can argue that he was a product of that system in NE.. and probably correctly, but he still performed and won over the course of a season.

But at the end of the day, really I think if no one comes knocking on the door with a competitive offer in terms of salary, does one really think Flynn loses much if he takes a one year high dollar contract that the tag would afford him. To me.. that is the definition of "naive".

Oh.. and the other factor I didn't even touch on, is that Harrell has been in Mike McCarthy system now a couple of seasons and as well has shown in limited action that he can perform. So again.. if Flynn inks that tag tender.. was it a risk we had to take?

Originally Posted by: Pack93z 


"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"
Nonstopdrivel
13 years ago

Rourke, I think some of us did say the Packers didn't have the cap room and would have to release guys.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 


Yes, I know that was discussed. I was referring specifically to the fact that they would have to cut guys before they even tagged him. I myself hadn't pondered that before -- I had assumed they would simply need to cut them before the season started. If that was discussed on this site, I apologize. I haven't been reading with as much focus lately because I have been busy with other projects. Like I said, I hadn't seen it discussed -- I may well have missed something.

By the way, when I say "people on this site," I don't mean EVERYONE on this site. Just the particular people to whom that particular phrase applies. 👻

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Nonstopdrivel
13 years ago

I guess I wasn't clear enough.. Page 2. ;)

Originally Posted by: Pack93z 


I just didn't consider the fact that they had to make the cuts before the tender could even be signed. My own fault, not anyone else's here.

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Pack93z
13 years ago

That's something I don't think I ever saw mentioned on this site:

Originally Posted by: Nonstopdrivel 



Come now.. throw out and non-ambiguous statement such as that.. you gotta expect to be called out upon it. lol.



"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"
Nonstopdrivel
13 years ago
Well, to be fair, even in the self-quote above I don't see where it says they have to cut players before they can even make the tag. [neener]
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Pack93z
13 years ago

Well, to be fair, even in the self-quote above I don't see where it says they have to cut players before they can even make the tag. [neener]

Originally Posted by: Nonstopdrivel 



And to be just as fair, since the Cap and Tag numbers haven't been officially released/tabulated, one cannot say with certainty that we would not have the room.. depending on the type of tag of course.

There was a reason I included links to both.. equally defined as not static yet. 😇
"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"
Zero2Cool
13 years ago

I may well have missed something.

Originally Posted by: Nonstopdrivel 



I won't listen to this nonsense from nonstopdrivel!

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lolleren
13 years ago

Yes, I know that was discussed. I was referring specifically to the fact that they would have to cut guys before they even tagged him. I myself hadn't pondered that before -- I had assumed they would simply need to cut them before the season started. If that was discussed on this site, I apologize. I haven't been reading with as much focus lately because I have been busy with other projects. Like I said, I hadn't seen it discussed -- I may well have missed something.

By the way, when I say "people on this site," I don't mean EVERYONE on this site. Just the particular people to whom that particular phrase applies. 👻

Originally Posted by: Nonstopdrivel 



As i understand it they wouldnt need to cut anyone before tagging him, they would have had undtil the start of free agency to be under the cap.
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