Packers_Finland
14 years ago

I wonder why Ed Reed is not in the mix? 8 interceptions in 10 games played.... Seems to me that he should at least be in the discussion.

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I would put him in the dicussion myself, but I think the voters thought he missed too much time. Playing safety also isn't only about getting INTs, it's about run support and overall coverage as well, so his performance in those areas (due to lack of playing time) is probably why he isn't in there.
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Zero2Cool
14 years ago

Wake gets more sacks and more TfL than Matthews, so he is better at rushing the QB and run defense. Though Wake is not as good in run defense as his 12 TfL suggest (top 3 in the league), he is still very good.

Suggs is nearly as good a sacker as CM3, but much better in run defense.

I'm not saying CM3 is a LOT worse than them, I'm just saying that if I had to pick which player was better I'd edge toward Suggs or Wake. Maybe when CM3 has a chance to play a full season healthy he'll change my mind.

While millertime's post is very informative, this isn't defensive MVP, it's DPOY so I don't think a team's record has a lot to do with deciding the winner. It's like saying Rodgers wasn't good in '08 because our team was only 6-10.

"Packers_Finland" wrote:



Little inconsistent there. I disagree that Wake is better than Clay. Suggs, I think he is a better LB than Clay. Wake, just wasn't impressed with him outside of the sack total itself.
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bozz_2006
14 years ago
I think a huge factor in deciding is the extent to which opposing teams go in order to stop hat player. I watch a lot of football and I don't see any other player in this discussion getting close to the amount of attention from opposing teams that Clay gets. That's why Clay deserves the award, in my opinion.
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Packers_Finland
14 years ago

I think a huge factor in deciding is the extent to which opposing teams go in order to stop hat player. I watch a lot of football and I don't see any other player in this discussion getting close to the amount of attention from opposing teams that Clay gets. That's why Clay deserves the award, in my opinion.

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If we're talking about a guy who opposing offenses try to avoid dealing with the most, then the prize would easily go to Asomugha or Peppers.
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Rockmolder
14 years ago

I think a huge factor in deciding is the extent to which opposing teams go in order to stop hat player. I watch a lot of football and I don't see any other player in this discussion getting close to the amount of attention from opposing teams that Clay gets. That's why Clay deserves the award, in my opinion.

"Packers_Finland" wrote:



If we're talking about a guy who opposing offenses try to avoid dealing with the most, then the prize would easily go to Asomugha or Peppers.

"bozz_2006" wrote:



And who do you get when you combine those two? Production and overall impact?

Tamba Hali, DeMarcus Ware and Clay Matthews.

They went the Matthews route, which I don't mind at all.
bozz_2006
14 years ago



If we're talking about a guy who opposing offenses try to avoid dealing with the most, then the prize would easily go to Asomugha or Peppers.

"Packers_Finland" wrote:



But that's not what I said. Subtle difference. I specifically mentioned the guys in this discussion; Clay, Polamalu, Wake, Harrison, and Peppers. And there's a difference between having to account for and neutralize a player and trying to avoid a player. You can avoid a cover corner, but you can't avoid a any of these five guys. I think, all things being equal, last year's AP DPOY selection of Woodson over Revis shows you which route this award usually takes. You can avoid Asomugha, but Peppers? "Yeah, let's pretend he's not even there. That should work out well for us!" Sorry, but I can't buy that. Peppers played well but was often taken care of by one guy. Coaches gameplan on how to neutralize Matthews, and they get pretty darn creative. Sometimes it works. Most times it does not.
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Greg C.
14 years ago

Its Sporting News DPOY

"azrunning" wrote:



Right, this is not the AP(Associated Press) DPOY, the one that "matters".

However, well deserved anyway! I dont know if there was a single defense player that garnered more attention, double, tipple teams, blatant holds *every* game that CMIII.

"earthquake" wrote:



Seems odd that the award voted on by writers is held in greater esteem than the one awarded by football people (players, coaches and GM's).

"longtimefan" wrote:



I trust the writers to pick the right guy more than I trust the players, coaches, and GMs. The football people often don't have the best perspective on the league as a whole. The writers are at least supposed to have that perspective. Not all of them do, but I think most of them at least give it a good effort. I think Clay will win the AP award anyway. He deserves it.
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Zero2Cool
14 years ago

I trust the writers to pick the right guy more than I trust the players, coaches, and GMs. The football people often don't have the best perspective on the league as a whole. The writers are at least supposed to have that perspective. Not all of them do, but I think most of them at least give it a good effort. I think Clay will win the AP award anyway. He deserves it.

"Greg C." wrote:



I don't really 'trust' any of their votes. Did each voter watch every play of every game to properly and accurately dispense their vote? Often time writers are in certain regions, rather than covering every game like say a Peter King.
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bozz_2006
14 years ago
Zero, that's why it's a good thing it's a consensus vote and not chosen by one guy. I don't trust them all to get it right, but I (almost) trust that the consensus will be right.
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Packers_Finland
14 years ago

I trust the writers to pick the right guy more than I trust the players, coaches, and GMs. The football people often don't have the best perspective on the league as a whole. The writers are at least supposed to have that perspective. Not all of them do, but I think most of them at least give it a good effort. I think Clay will win the AP award anyway. He deserves it.

"Zero2Cool" wrote:



I don't really 'trust' any of their votes. Did each voter watch every play of every game to properly and accurately dispense their vote? Often time writers are in certain regions, rather than covering every game like say a Peter King.

"Greg C." wrote:



But Peter King is totally sniffing Tom Brady's balls.
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