To me, this isn't about McCarthy as it is about the organization.

Frankly, I stopped listening to McCarthy's public comments a long time ago. Whatever the reason, I've realized he's not going to say anything that isn't Fleischerized, and Fleischerized ineptly, anymore; so I'm just going to chalk it up to "well, he doesn't do the press well and so long as he puts a good team on the field I'll deal with it by ignoring it. (And if he doesn't I'll criticise him as a field coach.)

But when management as a whole (be it Thompson, or McCarthy, or whoever makes the decisions about hiring/firing assistant maintenance peons) comes off over and over and over as inept publicly, then I worry.

I mean, if this is indeed an isolated case of a cancerous or idiot employee, an organization the size of the packers should be able to handle it without it becoming a media firestorm. I mean, we're talking about American sports media here -- the people who give us sideline reporting and ESPN suckups and know-nothings as the pinnacle of their profession. A halfway decent PR department should be able to have them for breakfast.

Companies in the entertainment biz, companies that live in the public eye, have to be PR-conscious. I get that. But they shouldn't be such PR fuckups.

And the best that can be said of all this -- not the worst, but the *best* -- is that the Packers are utter fuckups at PR.

"Wade" wrote:

You are hitting on a lot of it Wade, but also consider another factor in our various and sundry debacles of late.

It has often been said that smart management can "turn on a dime"


I have seen quite a bit of evidence that this organization has the "turning radius" outside that of the Exxon Valdez.

They just seem slow to react to just about anything. I have noticed this in public relations, in free agency, in getting contract deals done (that is not just Ted, believe me...I have researched the machinations, as best one can with public information)

When I reflect, this plodding has caused much grief of late.

Something to ponder, and I know you are an outstanding ponder er. :thumbleft:

"dfosterf" wrote:

I am personally sick of watching my beloved franchise chastised in the press.

"pack93z" wrote:

What gets me is that the answers Mike McCarthy is giving are like ones I'd expect from my 13 year old boy. We constantly have discussions like this where I have to tell him "I didn't ask you how long the conversation was, I asked you, did you tell his supervisor he should be fired?" Same with the responsibility comment.

My boy gives these answers when he thinks the real answer will get him in trouble and he doesn't want to give me the real answer.

Whether he actually played a part in it or not, it lends the appearance that Mike McCarthy would like to hide the part he played. And if I find his way of dealing with this issue unacceptable in a 13 year old boy, then I certainly find them unacceptable in the head coach of the Green Bay Packers.

"macbob" wrote: