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dd80forever
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15 years ago

Yep... all a figment of the imagination ..

Again Solid Player.. but makes little impact around the line of scrimmage and plays like a Barnett junior.. makes tackles 3 to 7 yards past the line of scrimmage..

But carry on with the dramatics... no one is saying he "sucks".. never uttered that phrase in my days... could he play better, more aggressively and make impact hits.. you bet.

All I want is some of the OSU intensity he played with.. not this sitting on his heels (for Foster) and waiting for everything.

You notice the broken record type effect with this.. I knew I shouldn't have hopped into this thread.. some can't handle when players are criticized for play without taking it to the "he sucks" limit.

"pack93z" wrote:

I understand you Pack93. I love Hawk, I really do, but his play is not been anything more than decent. Not the impact player we thought he was going to be.

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gijoe82
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15 years ago

#32

The performance of our LBrs shouldn't even be a big topic of conversation right now, especially after holding Peterson to 2.2 ypc. I feel like this is just fallout from last season when we couldn't get enough of attacking them. As a group they are performing admirably.

"MassPackersFan" wrote:

+1 smartest thing said in this thread

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buckeyepackfan
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15 years ago

#33

"pack93z" wrote:

I will keep up with the dramatics, I know you have not been saying Hawk "sucks", but there are probably between 5 to 10 threads that say that exact thing.

It is the nature of this forum, somebody has to be blamed for every bad year, every bad game, every bad play, for some reason AJ Hawk is this years whooping boy, when claimes of him sucking and his play falling off every year JUST ISN"T TRUE.

Now when , because of defensive schemes, he is only on the field for 9 plays the whole game, yea his production is going to drop off.

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Pack93z
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15 years ago

#34

"gijoe82" wrote:

+1 smartest thing said in this thread

"MassPackersFan" wrote:

This I do agree with in the big picture.. I happen to be just obsessed with linebacker play... imagine what it could be.

Honestly.. beyond some game schemes, a few bad drops, and the line play of this team.. most other topics are nitpicking at the moment.. Solve the Oline play and we start to roll.

"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"

gijoe82
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15 years ago

#35

He played well his rookie year.. started to slump the 07' season.. and last year was more of the same.. tentative reactionary play.. but he is assignment sure and rarely makes a mistake. He started last season with intensity and fizzled from October on..

Solid player.. I have said that since about Oct 07.. just doesn't play with his instincts that he has in college.

"pack93z" wrote:

Agreed and I think to sum it up most feel the same, the problem lies in his draft position and his salary. Chillar is arguably as good and less than half the price.

I think everyone would be real high on Hawk right now if lets say he was a third rounder and making third round money.

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gijoe82
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15 years ago

#36

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Zero2Cool
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15 years ago

#37

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15 years ago

#38

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"Zero2Cool" wrote:

lol.. ask LTF.. in his best "Urkel" voice, he will probably agree. ;)

Speaking of which..anybody have numbers on Hawk on TFL (tackles for loss) compared to some similarly positioned players in the NFL?

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alharrisdude31
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15 years ago

#39

use hawk for a trade, its all hes good for right now

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Dulak
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15 years ago

#40

Last season
- I really like barnett (till his injury)
- didnt like hawk - thought he was always late to the ball and he covered worse then a wet paper bag.
- Liked chillar alot even thou he had a few blown coverages (was aggressive).

This year
- dying to see bishop on the field; but hes getting no reps ... ya I know he did well in preseason and its not the same as reg. season. But lets get him some reps come on ... just to see how he does. When you are up 20+ on detroit; its time to stick in some guys just to see what they can do.
and ya my perception could change if he say plays for 20 snaps and is crap. (prefer a bigger sample thou).

- hawk ... actually doing better then last year IMO. See him around the ball more and appears to be more aggressive
- barnett - To be honest I think he's slow since his surgery; hes got alright coverage skills but as far as penetration or rushing the passer. Much worse then all our other backs.
- Chillar - still doing quiet well; and shined vs chicago. Got played vs MN since he was lined up a wideout and they were playing him like a safety (obviously he might not be able to cover a WR that well). Still key to this defense thou IMO.
- Kampman - Doing a adequate job considering what the coaches are calling him to do. If only they would let him rush the passer more.
- Matthews - star of our LB core so far IMO. Great start for the guy's first season. Great pass rusher and go getter. Got to love the AP strip and score.

If it were me picking which backers play ...

Chillar on passing downs or on rushing downs/splitting time with hawk which is used more for running plays.

Bishop used for running downs and rushing downs; barnett when wanting another coverage guy. (again my opinion could change once I see bishop in some games) ... but the guy was a stud in preseason. Hello 2 int a sack and the most tackles out of all players.

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