Well Mike McCarthy is right there with him IMO and is an excellent football coach.
Look what he did with Brett Favre? Revived his career is what he did. Reigned him in and and took control and showed Brett what he could do without having to take all the risks. Came up with a perfect game plan for Brett to operate under and maybe the biggest thing he got Brett to buy into it.
Brett could not do in NY what he did in GB. Right back to the old days.
Mike McCarthy also took over a team in transition and managed the youngest team in the NFL and I don't mean no small transition either. No more Wahle, Rivera, Flanny, Green, Hondo, Bubba. New guys shuffling in left and right in Wells, Spitz, Colledge, Jennings, Hawk, Jones, etc,. When things were not going well in his first year he did not panic and turned that team around. The only thing that stopped us that year is we ran out of games.
There's only a handfull of players from the last '04 playoff team left when he get's them back in '07 and one poor year where the defense choked repeatedly and he's on a "hot seat"?
I'm sorry but to compare what this guys done with this team and what he started with to a Norv Turner and what he had there right out of the gun? C'mon.
You put Mike McCarthy in charge of that team and he's got one SB under his belt at least. Maybe two.
About as many as I expect him to win here over the next few years. The shame of it is that's looking like what it will take to get people off his ass.
"warhawk" wrote:
You can't put McCarthy right there with Holmgrem. You just can't and that's my point. Your trying to imply or you are that McCarthy is every bit as good as Holmgrem was back in the 90's. Nevermind that Holmgrem has come from a winning tradition and McCarthy hasn't, but let's look at the facts.
Holmgrem is a Hall of Fame coach.
He's been to four NFC Championship games, three Super Bowls and won another.
He won five straight division titles in a row in Seattle.
He won another three in a row in Green Bay.
That's eight division titles.
McCarthy so far has one winning season as a Head Coach.
That's it.
I see a lot of poor qualities in McCarthy so far. I see good ones, but I'm not going to ignore the poor ones. McCarthy often says one thing and they're the complete opposite. Such as we're a physical team. That's just not true. GB is more finesse now than they've been in along time. Sherman's teams were more physical to be honest. He says they'll be disciplined, but they're one of the most penalized teams in football. McCarthy has been average at best as a playcaller. He was amazing in New Orleans, but he's been up and down as much as anyone can be in Green Bay.
Not to say McCarthy can't become a good head coach, but he has along ways to go to be Mike Holmgrem. If he goes 6-10 this year, he'll solidify my fear that he might be a Norv Turner. I don't mean literally the same guy. I would take McCarthy over Turner, but I mean in that mold as a coach. Norv Turner is the classic example of what I'm talking about and that's why I use him.
Good coordinator, poor head coach.
Again, I'm not saying McCarthy is, but I recognize the fact that yes he could go that way.
Never did and have with Holmgrem.
I have liked the off-season though and I am encouraged, but not sold yet. Getting there though. I'll know more in training camp.