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Heinz Field record is 53 yards. It's cold.

How many 57 yarders has Mason made in the cold?

Steelers get ball at 47 vs. a punt that can be anywhere from the 20-1. What is undeniable is the momentum shift after the miss. If they'd have gone 90, would it have been worse? I don't think so. That was a swing play. -3 to +7. We punt it's not thought of as a swing. 0/punt vs. whatever they get. Steelers on a short field? Odds not good. Look at closing seconds for evidence of that.

I love aggression...but a 57 yarder in the cold at Heinz not on last play of half or game is foolish in those conditions. I think any HC would tell you that. That's not even mentioning letting the clock run out in 1st half. Totally inconsistent mindset.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



Sometimes people have no idea hat they sound like. Here's a recording of your argument in taht stupid question form: Tom Dempsey kicked a 63 yarder with half a foot; surely Crosby with a whole foot could kick a 126 yarder, right?

Its cold,Swing plays; how may FG's in cold, how many has Crosby kicked, the record is 53. QUIT cluttering your mind such irrelevant computer game kiddy fan bullshit.

Cold? It was 38 degrees! Humidity is a factor too, it was only 47%; wind is the MOST important 7 MPH WSW.

You ask in that stupid sarcastic question style, like tehre's only one answer that fits your agenda on 57 yarders in the cold. Let me tell you:

Crosby kicked at least 12 FGs from between 55 and 60 THAT NIGHT, ON THAT FIELD, WITH THOSE FIELD CONDITIONS, and he had to hit over 80% from 57 for Mike to call for FG. If he didn't hit 60 yarders consistently, he moves to 59, then 58, to find his effective limit. So to answer your question, I'd say Crosby hit at least TEN of those FGs; THAT NIGHT, ON THAT FIELD, WITH THOSE FIELD CONDITIONS.

Here's the other side of the coin. How may Punts has Vogel put inside the 10, the 5? How about in practice that week? How about on THAT NIGHT, ON THAT FIELD, WITH THOSE FIELD CONDITIONS? Again, Vogel hit at least 12 punts from that area; trying to hit the 10 and the 5. If during the week Vogel hit 90 of a 100 and that night put 10 of 12 on the 5 while trying to hit the 5; then I bet Mike punts. In the game the closets punts we had was Vogel hitting a 44 yarder to the 22; [a bad punt] and a 48 yarder to 16 returned for 7 by Antonio Brown to the 23. So your idea that the ball will go between the 1 and 19 is not based on anything that was relevant yesterday. Oh and do you know who Antonio Brown is? Sometimes on those kicks when no one is expecting a return, they're returned.

I have developed a new logical fallacy for you: Arrogant Arrogance. And you make this error over and over, believing your knowledge is the limit of everyone else's. You dont know shit about how fast a player is on the field, so to fill your void of knowledge you substitute 1 number, from 1 day, of a guy running in a straight line, in shorts, from a track start. Tell me how fast Rodgers is after watching that 25 yarder, if combine times were secret?

McCarthy judges how his kicker and punter will perform by watching thousands of punts and kicks over their ENTIRE career and a whole bunch that day, under those exact filed conditions. But, you actually really think you know more about expected performance with less than a molecule of knowledge compared to Mike's 55 gallon drum. Stop it!
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So your saying that MM, like you, has inconsistent mindset?
Complain about them, not being aggressive, then it's too aggressive, then it's not aggressive enough.
Pretty ironic that you're doing the same thing that you're complaining about Mike McCarthy doing.

Originally Posted by: beast 



You beat me to the punch as I read this. I didn't like the FG attempt - that said I'm sure they tried him at it in warm ups and it wasn't as whimsical a decision as it's being made out to be. Either way, it was "aggressive." He went for it on 4th down later in the 4th quarter - it was the better choice but not the only. In general hasn't shied away from going for it on 4th down in his career.

If you want to convince yourself MM isn't aggressive, I'm sure you can cherry pick and manipulate circumstances to write you narrative for you. IMO, MM has flaws, but a lack of aggression hasn't been one of them.

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7 years ago
Before the 57 yarder, a reporter was saying Vogel was walking around gingerly on the sidelines. I just figured Vogel was roughed up and couldn't punt so they said screw it, try long ass FG.
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Sometimes people have no idea hat they sound like. Here's a recording of your argument in taht stupid question form: Tom Dempsey kicked a 63 yarder with half a foot; surely Crosby with a whole foot could kick a 126 yarder, right?

Its cold,Swing plays; how may FG's in cold, how many has Crosby kicked, the record is 53. QUIT cluttering your mind such irrelevant computer game kiddy fan bullshit.

Cold? It was 38 degrees! Humidity is a factor too, it was only 47%; wind is the MOST important 7 MPH WSW.

You ask in that stupid sarcastic question style, like tehre's only one answer that fits your agenda on 57 yarders in the cold. Let me tell you:

Crosby kicked at least 12 FGs from between 55 and 60 THAT NIGHT, ON THAT FIELD, WITH THOSE FIELD CONDITIONS, and he had to hit over 80% from 57 for Mike to call for FG. If he didn't hit 60 yarders consistently, he moves to 59, then 58, to find his effective limit. So to answer your question, I'd say Crosby hit at least TEN of those FGs; THAT NIGHT, ON THAT FIELD, WITH THOSE FIELD CONDITIONS.

Here's the other side of the coin. How may Punts has Vogel put inside the 10, the 5? How about in practice that week? How about on THAT NIGHT, ON THAT FIELD, WITH THOSE FIELD CONDITIONS? Again, Vogel hit at least 12 punts from that area; trying to hit the 10 and the 5. If during the week Vogel hit 90 of a 100 and that night put 10 of 12 on the 5 while trying to hit the 5; then I bet Mike punts. In the game the closets punts we had was Vogel hitting a 44 yarder to the 22; [a bad punt] and a 48 yarder to 16 returned for 7 by Antonio Brown to the 23. So your idea that the ball will go between the 1 and 19 is not based on anything that was relevant yesterday. Oh and do you know who Antonio Brown is? Sometimes on those kicks when no one is expecting a return, they're returned.

I have developed a new logical fallacy for you: Arrogant Arrogance. And you make this error over and over, believing your knowledge is the limit of everyone else's. You dont know shit about how fast a player is on the field, so to fill your void of knowledge you substitute 1 number, from 1 day, of a guy running in a straight line, in shorts, from a track start. Tell me how fast Rodgers is after watching that 25 yarder, if combine times were secret?

McCarthy judges how his kicker and punter will perform by watching thousands of punts and kicks over their ENTIRE career and a whole bunch that day, under those exact filed conditions. But, you actually really think you know more about expected performance with less than a molecule of knowledge compared to Mike's 55 gallon drum. Stop it!

Originally Posted by: Barfarn 



Start it...answering questions posed by the post. How many 57 yarders has Crosby hit in his career? Is Heinz among the toughest stadiums to kick in? You don't answer rather tangent to some concocted gobbledygook.

How many NFL HCs would try that at Heinz do you think? Only one.

You have to factor. Hundley as much as you do our porous D.

This is just another exhibit in a long line of evidence how narratives get rewritten. All of a sudden, something unacceptable is perfectly acceptable in Packerland. Break the spell!

The attempt was STUPID and swung the game. Pretend it was the Bears who did the same thing. Still acceptable? How about if Ben McAdoo did it? Acceptable? Nope. Only acceptable to a fan of this team who wants to believe.

You make up things to justify MM. Why? During the broadcast Al said more than once that Hundley learned he had to throw it harder in the cold as he'd been coming up short on deep balls. So, your nonsensical dismissal of the cold not being a factor for Crosby is utterly ridiculous.
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Under the circumstances I would have to say the idea of that kick was idiotic. if they had been trailing I might understand but with a 7point lead there is no excuse. Hell if Vogel was injured, run a play on 4th down. with 18 yards needed, Pit would have been in a soft defense where an screen or short pass would likely gain 10 yards which would have turned the ball over inside their 30 rather than the 47. Only takes a couple missed tackles for a first down. Even a deep throw if intercepted would be better than attempting that kick.
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Start it...answering questions posed by the post. How many 57 yarders has Crosby hit in his career? Is Heinz among the toughest stadiums to kick in? You don't answer rather tangent to some concocted gobbledygook.

How many NFL HCs would try that at Heinz do you think? Only one.

You have to factor. Hundley as much as you do our porous D.

This is just another exhibit in a long line of evidence how narratives get rewritten. All of a sudden, something unacceptable is perfectly acceptable in Packerland. Break the spell!

The attempt was STUPID and swung the game. Pretend it was the Bears who did the same thing. Still acceptable? How about if Ben McAdoo did it? Acceptable? Nope. Only acceptable to a fan of this team who wants to believe.

You make up things to justify MM. Why? During the broadcast Al said more than once that Hundley learned he had to throw it harder in the cold as he'd been coming up short on deep balls. So, your nonsensical dismissal of the cold not being a factor for Crosby is utterly ridiculous.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



I answered your question....How many FGs has Crosby kicked in a tornado? Effectively I said, "who effing cares...how long was Demsey's stub?" it doesn't matter how many FG's Crosby or Tom Dempsey kicked. What matters is what was REALITY last night.

The only relevant facts in this regard are:

Can Crosby kick a 57 yarder and how many did he make earlier in the day under the relevant conditions; and what are odds Vogel will pin them deep based on the thousands of punts he's made in practice and his few dozen punts he made during the game, before the game and at halftime.

And again, I'm not you, dont think like you, dont act like you. I got no agenda, I just call 'em as I see 'em based on the REALITY of the situation. In another thread today i called Mike a "dumbass" for bringing in a 6th OLman and 2 TE so Hundley could face a certain 2nd and long on last TD drive.

And another thing: you need to think in REALITY. you treat the Heinz Field record long FG as some magical axiom, a theorem set forth by Pythagorus, or an 11th commandment given to Moses by God. But, there are specific conditions that caused the record to be what it is and those conditions were not in play last night. This is further evidenced by a mediocre FG kicker that never hit a 53 yarder anywhere tied the record on a kick that traveled more than 60 yards. There are times where teams in this game situation in Pitts, under different weather conditions, threw hail marys instead of kicking 45 yardish FGs. But, last night that wasn't the case...this is REALITY: Crosby had a 70-80% chance of making that 57 yarder last night!

I'm not ignoring that cold affects the length of FGs...BUT the REALITY that I live in demonstrates it wasn't cold 😂, it was 38. Boswell's long was 51, he kicked the game winner over 60.

And another thing...😂 Do you believe the Hundley cold weather bulldung? Get an effing goddamn grip! Pure "Journalistic" stupidity or dishonesty. Interesting that every coach and player is a liar, unless it effing suits your kiddy agendas. Only a complete moron would believe this, if it was even said. GB's average temp on Sunday 11-19 was 33; the week before it was 33 Sat and Friday, 34 Tuesday-Thursday. So Hundley got no reps outside conditions the entire week? Bulldung! Over the last 2 winters Hundley never got reps in much colder weather than 33? Again pure unadulterated bulldung!
Zero2Cool
7 years ago
Excuse me, but does Brett Hundley kick FG's? No? Why are you talking about FG's in this topic then? I am not sure I understand the evolution from a QB to FG. Help?
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Excuse me, but does Brett Hundley kick FG's? No? Why are you talking about FG's in this topic then? I am not sure I understand the evolution from a QB to FG. Help?

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



I didnt do it 😂 It's where the thread went 😂.

I know for me; I often click on the "recent topics" on right; read the comment and respond often absent mindfully forgetting what the topic was. I should be more careful not helping a thread go off the rails.

Then I went to respond to your comments about Hundley and when I realized it was in a thread that had gone 57 yard FG rogue, I started a new Hundley thread 'cause I thought your comments would make good discussion and they were buried.
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FACT. I proved once again that I am the smartest and most knowledgeable Packers fan around, PREDICTING that Hundley would bounce back and have a great game. Everybody thought I was wrong, but that's exactly what happened!

Let's run out the string, we might not get a high draft pick from our win/loss record, but we should be able to get a nice tidy pick in trade for Hundley if he keeps improving like this. If anyone can work it out, Ted can!
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Thus far, Hundley has illustrated an ability to throw well against zones (which the Bears and Steeler's use primarily) Against, man or combo...not so much. On a critical sack, he had Kendrick breaking wide open on a crossing route (v man/combo) and did not pull the trigger.

The kid had a nice game, but if he is traded for a pick, the cupboard is bare and you would like have to use that pick for another QB.
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Heinz Field record is 53 yards. It's cold.

How many 57 yarders has Mason made in the cold?

Steelers get ball at 47 vs. a punt that can be anywhere from the 20-1. What is undeniable is the momentum shift after the miss. If they'd have gone 90, would it have been worse? I don't think so. That was a swing play. -3 to +7. We punt it's not thought of as a swing. 0/punt vs. whatever they get. Steelers on a short field? Odds not good. Look at closing seconds for evidence of that.

I love aggression...but a 57 yarder in the cold at Heinz not on last play of half or game is foolish in those conditions. I think any HC would tell you that. That's not even mentioning letting the clock run out in 1st half. Totally inconsistent mindset.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



Ok before you keep spouting off thinking you are the know all of everything let me inform you of a few things. When Crosby came out at halftime he sat on that side of the field and made 4 in a row from 60. I didn't agree with the call but why not try it if he was making them. You know damn well they asked him if he could make it. On Hundley he missed alot of wide open guys. With the seats we had you could see things great and it sure seemed he had guys running open and either held the ball or thru it away
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7 years ago

Big Ben's 103.4 passer rating looked way better than Hundley's 134.3 on the field.

Originally Posted by: gotarace 



I couldn't have said it any better myself. (Well, I probably could have, but I have no interest in trying.)


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I couldn't have said it any better myself. (Well, I probably could have, but I have no interest in trying.)

Originally Posted by: Nonstopdrivel 



Ben's 103.4 included a fumble and 2 INTs. Hundley does either one of those things and he'll get CRUCIFIED in here. No thanks. Hundley did a great job, whether or not anyone wants to admit I was right and they were wrong. 👍
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Hundley did a FAIR job. But in crunch time, at the end of the game, he choked and didn't get the team in position for a winning FG.
And once again, our defense collapsed and let the other team win it.
No pass rush, Ben having all day to throw. You can't win that way.
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7 years ago

FACT. I proved once again that I am the smartest and most knowledgeable Packers fan around, PREDICTING that Hundley would bounce back and have a great game. Everybody thought I was wrong, but that's exactly what happened!

Let's run out the string, we might not get a high draft pick from our win/loss record, but we should be able to get a nice tidy pick in trade for Hundley if he keeps improving like this. If anyone can work it out, Ted can!

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 




lol pls stop. heres a prediction for ya. next week hundley will go back to being a bad qb with horrible awareness and throw 2 picks and no tds against a bad TB defense.
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Hundley did a FAIR job. But in crunch time, at the end of the game, he choked and didn't get the team in position for a winning FG.
And once again, our defense collapsed and let the other team win it.
No pass rush, Ben having all day to throw. You can't win that way.

Originally Posted by: Cheesey 



He got violently assaulted in an uncalled helmet to helmet situation by a player who likely knew that anyone can take cheap shots at Green Bay Packers and they're not gonna do ANYTHING about it.
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He got violently assaulted in an uncalled helmet to helmet situation by a player who likely knew that anyone can take cheap shots at Green Bay Packers and they're not gonna do ANYTHING about it.

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Hundley took the hit and moved on, why can't you?
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Hundley did a FAIR job. But in crunch time, at the end of the game, he choked and didn't get the team in position for a winning FG.
And once again, our defense collapsed and let the other team win it.
No pass rush, Ben having all day to throw. You can't win that way.

Originally Posted by: Cheesey 



GRRRRRRR! We see what we want to see. The OL CHOKED on the last drive.

There was a 3 man rush that obliterated our OL on the 1st a nd 2nd down of that last drive and you say Hundley choked? Pure Poppycock.

On first down Bahktieiri was beaten and on the ground as his man was closing on Hundley. Linsley was pushed back right into Hundley's face on bull rush by Hayward like he was a HS kid. Taylor's work was especially disgraceful. He actually turned his back to the defense watching Bahkteiri get beat. Watt saw our LG day dreamin and came and Taylor just stood there, just stood there like a limp dick as Watt approached.
It was like he was digging in his pocket to get his Iphone to take a close-up pic of Hundley getting decapitated. It is really amazing what Taylor did there, it looked intentional, though I'm sure it wasn't.

Hundley's 1st read was a 4 yard curl left off left hash to Rodgers. Reads 2a and b were Nelson and Cobb doing 4 yard outs left and right, respectively. All 3 were open, but, there only 3 rushers and we only got 1:20 to go 60 yards w, only 1 TO; so I applaud the decision to pass on the early 4 yard reads. 3rd read was Adams on a deep drag from right to left. Allison ran a go on the far left, so ya gotta expect him to clear the boundary CB and left safety. This means when JOrdy makes his secondary move [running an up off his out], he'll be man on left sideline against the slot corner. Then if Adams isn't open on drag [and he was]; you could hit Jordy for a nice 20 yard gain. But, this horrible horrible OL failed to give the kid the time to get to third read and secondary moves.

Hundley did admit to a mistake. He supposedly forget to tell Williams they were out of 2 minute. So to preserve time Williams went OOB on the next screen pass, not that it mattered. What is impressive is HUNDLEY TOOK THE BLAME! Nobody would have ever known the truth. And maybe Hundley did telll Williams and Hundley wasn't lying to cover for his mate.

Ya can't blame the QB, until you evaluate what everyone else was supposed to do!!!!!!!
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GRRRRRRR! We see what we want to see. The OL CHOKED on the last drive.

There was a 3 man rush that obliterated our OL on the 1st a nd 2nd down of that last drive and you say Hundley choked? Pure Poppycock.

On first down Bahktieiri was beaten and on the ground as his man was closing on Hundley. Linsley was pushed back right into Hundley's face on bull rush by Hayward like he was a HS kid. Taylor's work was especially disgraceful. He actually turned his back to the defense watching Bahkteiri get beat. Watt saw our LG day dreamin and came and Taylor just stood there, just stood there like a limp dick as Watt approached.
It was like he was digging in his pocket to get his Iphone to take a close-up pic of Hundley getting decapitated. It is really amazing what Taylor did there, it looked intentional, though I'm sure it wasn't.

Hundley's 1st read was a 4 yard curl left off left hash to Rodgers. Reads 2a and b were Nelson and Cobb doing 4 yard outs left and right, respectively. All 3 were open, but, there only 3 rushers and we only got 1:20 to go 60 yards w, only 1 TO; so I applaud the decision to pass on the early 4 yard reads. 3rd read was Adams on a deep drag from right to left. Allison ran a go on the far left, so ya gotta expect him to clear the boundary CB and left safety. This means when JOrdy makes his secondary move [running an up off his out], he'll be man on left sideline against the slot corner. Then if Adams isn't open on drag [and he was]; you could hit Jordy for a nice 20 yard gain. But, this horrible horrible OL failed to give the kid the time to get to third read and secondary moves.

Hundley did admit to a mistake. He supposedly forget to tell Williams they were out of 2 minute. So to preserve time Williams went OOB on the next screen pass, not that it mattered. What is impressive is HUNDLEY TOOK THE BLAME! Nobody would have ever known the truth. And maybe Hundley did telll Williams and Hundley wasn't lying to cover for his mate.

Ya can't blame the QB, until you evaluate what everyone else was supposed to do!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by: Barfarn 



These are good points. Bakhtiari didn't have the best game, I hope he's ok.
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Hundley did admit to a mistake. He supposedly forget to tell Williams they were out of 2 minute. So to preserve time Williams went OOB on the next screen pass, not that it mattered. What is impressive is HUNDLEY TOOK THE BLAME! Nobody would have ever known the truth. And maybe Hundley did telll Williams and Hundley wasn't lying to cover for his mate.

Ya can't blame the QB, until you evaluate what everyone else was supposed to do!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by: Barfarn 



That is impressive that Hundley took blame for that when no one would of known, and I still don't know if QBs are supposed to do that to everyone?

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