Packers release James Starks

beast
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I don't see what there is to complain about.

Originally Posted by: musccy

Is he complaining... or is he bragging? That he was right that something negative would happen, and everyone else is wrong.

The complaint is simple, it's the same with all of his post... he's complaining that people view the Packers leadership as leaders and don't view him as a leader for the correct way things should be done.

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uffda udfa
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#42

Originally Posted by: beast

Wpr... I think beast is hoping you'll lock this down as he, again, is more interested in me than football discussion.

The nonsense is tiring.

Ted Thompson sits on his hands per former GM: "because they’ve had 25 fricking years of great quarterbacks. Of course it works. Try it without a special quarterback."

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8 years ago

#43

I swear that some of these threads are like political discussions where if one person says something then others have to choose the opposite side just to disagree and troll people. It's fucking annoying.

Starks should have been cut during the season before he had his car accident. He was absolutely terrible. He got his nice contract because Ted overpaid and Lacy is totally unreliable to keep his weight in check.

Thanks for the great games during our Super Bowl run, but really it was time to move on.

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8 years ago

#44

Originally Posted by: TheKanataThrilla

He had lost a step, but was solid in pass pro.

Mike likes his RBs big and slow.

“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”

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8 years ago

#45

4.1 ypc? The definition of average?
I'm not crazy not alone on this.
Because nobody will actually look, I'll make it easy. Here's the comments on Rodney's tweet to the overpay of Starks:

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa

I feel like you're treating this as some earth-shattering deal. I think the cap hit was 2.75M last year from him and it was coming off a fairly productive 2015. 1.5% of the cap, that's it. I get it, Starks sucked horribly last year, but I just don't see why it was all that bad of a signing at the time. It really didn't handicap the organization in any appreciable way. You want to bring up Hawk or CM3's contracts, fine but this particular contract IMO wasn't that big of a deal.

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8 years ago

#46

Wpr... I think beast is hoping you'll lock this down as he, again, is more interested in me than football discussion.

The nonsense is tiring.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa

Awe, he's crying to daddy... isn't that cute.

But I made these post well before I read WPR comment about lock down... but no I don't want this post locked down... it shows how far you're willing to go to bitch... taking a very minor contract and making sound like we gave him 10 million or something.

It also shows how you're a hypocrite... as you bitch when Thompson does something, just as you bitch when Thompson does nothing.... fact is, no matter what happens, you're going to bitch about Thompson.

You want change... but are you going to be happy with the change you get? For a honeymoon period yes... but then you'll go back to being the same... and wanting more change... because they don't do what you want.

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#47

Starks should have been cut during the season before he had his car accident. He was absolutely terrible. He got his nice contract because Ted overpaid and Lacy is totally unreliable to keep his weight in check.

Originally Posted by: TheKanataThrilla

Also because Starks had a decent year last year.

He had lost a step, but was solid in pass pro.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann

Yeah I think that's the only reason they hung onto Starks this season was because they didn't fully trust anyone else in pass protection... and knew Starks could be trusted in pass protection if he could get healthy.

Originally Posted by: musccy

Exactly, this thread was simply a troll setting his bait from the start...
Which is why it was pointless to talk about it.

Stark's low value contract isn't that big of a deal either way...

TheKanataThrilla
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#48

Also because Starks had a decent year last year.

Originally Posted by: beast

He was the 21st highest paid RB.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/2016/average/running-back/

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#49

Some people are just going to whine. Had Ted not signed Starks when Lacy got hurt all we would have been hearing from the resident arm chair GMs is how could Ted not have a proven backup behind Lacy. Basically the exact same thing they are saying about Hayward.

The world needs ditch diggers too Danny!!!

beast
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#50

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins

Exactly... no matter what happens the troll will whine...

If a player gets resigned: Ted paid too much
If a player doesn't resign: Ted couldn't sign him

As of last season, Starks got 993 combined (rushing/catching) yards, knew the system, could pass protect well and was versatile. For a team that didn't know if they could trust their #1 guy to be in shape, that seemed like some protection at the time.

uffda udfa
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#51

Two problems. The amount of the contract. The age and decline.

21st highest RB contract? There are 32 teams so that would mean James was paid better than 11 other teams top back.

There would be 64 backs among the 32 teams if you're counting backups. James was in the top third. Way too much.

You've already seen what Rodney said and the comments to it. All trolls including Rodney? No. Just non homers who care about the Packers.

Ted Thompson sits on his hands per former GM: "because they’ve had 25 fricking years of great quarterbacks. Of course it works. Try it without a special quarterback."

musccy
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#52

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa

2 yr deal, and he hadn't hit 30 yet. Wherever he ranks on rb payouts is deceptive since there are a lot of rookie contracts he was likely to exceed with any vet deal he would have signed.

993 total yards and 5 tds in 2015 and you sign him to a max of 3 mil/year. We spent 3+ times as much for Sam Shields to play half a game last year.

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#53

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa

What was the better alternative at that time? Going with Lacy without any veteran backup? Bringing in somebody who doesn't know the offense?

The world needs ditch diggers too Danny!!!

uffda udfa
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#54

What was the better alternative at that time? Going with Lacy without any veteran backup? Bringing in somebody who doesn't know the offense?

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins

Better alternative was not paying James that kind of money. He was more of a vet min type guy and he got 2 years 6 mil. Bad deal for us on front side and in hindsight.

We played Knile Davis, Christine Michael, Ty Montgomery and Don Jackson at RB. None of those guys knew the offense for the RB position very well. That is Packers Ted talk right there. Stick to what we know even if it isn't good enough. Geesh.

Ted Thompson sits on his hands per former GM: "because they’ve had 25 fricking years of great quarterbacks. Of course it works. Try it without a special quarterback."

beast
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#55

You've already seen what Rodney said and the comments to it. All trolls including Rodney? No. Just non homers who care about the Packers.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa

No, Rodney is respectable and not a two faced troll like you.

There is a huge difference... the difference is you will find a way to bitch about it no matter what happens and you always do. That's not like Rodney... they can make a move that Rodney likes.... but no matter what happens you will find fault that's a huge difference and that's what makes you the troll of this site.

You say you want FA vets... Then Ted Thompson signs and then you complain about how much it cost... it never ends.... you will find something to complain about. .. that's your goal and you've stated you hate the ra rate Packers fans, your are the ba ba Packer fan.... just as blind and biased as they are, but in the opposite direction

beast
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#56

21st highest RB contract? There are 32 teams so that would mean James was paid better than 11 other teams top back.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa

The difference is clearly the rookie scale, so Starks was the 21st best paid veteran RB .. so what?

The whole thread is still stupidity over a small percentage of contract ... there is more dead cap space then Stark earn this last year. But we're stupidity talking about Starks because the troll is trying to stir the pot.

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#57

AND ONCE AGAIN !!!

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I was addicted to The Hokey Pokey, but I turned myself around!

uffda udfa
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#58

Rodney and I are very similar. I don't rip everything. The pervasive mindset of this org deserves to be ripped, so I rip it. He rips what he believes needs to be ripped, also. Just as Bob McGinn does.

If I don't like the way we operate, and I don't, then it follows most of what I have to post is going to be unflattering toward the org. The converse is also true. You buy the company line so it follows you are a more agreeable happy fan.

Loved the Peppers acquisition. I really loved it for one season...Possibly, two. Despised it for this year and would be out of my mind if they bring him back again like Barfarn wants.

I will despise our offseason if it's the typical do nothing off season. I already hate that it appears the only change in coaching is Clements leaving and hot McGarigle joining.

Love the release of Starks. Love it! Late but love it.
Disappointed Sam had to go but can't count on him.

Hoping Peppers is done. The Ted Thompson fan mindset would be to be okay with overpaying him since he knows the D and we have nobody else

Hoping Clay is restructured. His cap number makes him uncuttable for one more season.

Really want to see some moves whether FA signing or trades. I would like a first wave signing. Prefer a CB because if we don't get a top flight CB it all but guarantees we reach for a CB in Round 1 and it will be sold, again, as BPA. Tired of failed high defensive draft choices and listening to how we need to wait 3 years before we can expect them to make a difference.

Tired of injuries. Softest team in the league almost annually.

Hated our preseason approach last preseason. Paid for it with 4-6.

Want to see a focus on 2017. Not just a focus on the next 3 seasons.

Get Logan Ryan from the Pats and use your 1st rounder on a true BPA whether Dalvin Cook, OJ Howard, Williams from Clemson, or one of the other top WRs.

Time to see surfable waves or at least ripples in the water instead of the same stagnant sea.

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Ted Thompson sits on his hands per former GM: "because they’ve had 25 fricking years of great quarterbacks. Of course it works. Try it without a special quarterback."

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#59

Originally Posted by: beast

beast while I may not agree with every one of your posts, there are enough of them that I can say whether I agree or not, I love ya man but you have to stop attacking other members. I have been gone all day so I have not had the time to read the posts. No doubt you are frustrated that still doesn't give you leave to make personal comments. I know that there have been a few members that have gotten to me in the past. I probably didn't handle it as well as I should have. I even put myself in a time out for most of last year. It isn't worth getting worked up.

Take a deep breath clinch your teeth and move on. Please.

This thread has been teetering all day. Keep the focus on Starks. Talking about the RB position as a whole is reasonable too.

Edited by user 8 years ago | Reason: Not specified

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#60

Talking about the RB position as a whole is reasonable too.

Originally Posted by: wpr

If you read the first post, the thread isn't about the RB position... it's about Ted Thompson and contracts.

If you know about Uffda basic opinion, he doesn't like the calm passive approach, he wants to be more aggressive and sign more guys... which comes with bigger contracts... and when there are bigger contract (in this case for Starks) Uffda doesn't like that either....

So it's one mega cluster fuck circle... that no matter what happens he finds a negative way to spin everything.... if people aren't signed, then they're not trying hard enough and they're horrible at their job... if they are signed then it's they're bad deals and they're horrible at their job.

That's what the first post of this thread is really about... Ted Thompson being horrible at his job according to Uffda.... but because it's spun into a Starks contract we're suppose to threat it any differently than the 100s or 1,000s or other post/threads Uffda used to say Thompson is horrible at his job? .................. Why are we suppose to treat it differently? It's the same old shit that he always post... nothing is different about it.... other than Starks name is in the header, but the post is about Thompson, o Starks

I love ya man but you have to stop attacking other members.

Originally Posted by: wpr

How many different people have called Uffda out on his clear bullshit over the years and how many people he has put off over and over and over again and lately no one has done a damn thing.

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