nerdmann
9 years ago
statwhore 

I have not included C or K, but I could if you guys want me to. This is just my initial rough draft. I plan on revising it some. I'll also maybe go over some sleepers and general guys I like. There's some S in there that I think are a little bit Nick Collinsesque.

I’ve listed these in order of positions of need. Guys whose names are highlighted are the ones I like in the first round. I’d like to get one of them if possible, approximately in the order listed, from top to bottom. I’d probably take a flyer on Jaylon Smith in the 3rd or 4th.

OLB: Leonard Floyd, Emmanuel Ogbah, Joey Bosa, Myles Jack (great in coverage) /Noah Spence, Yannick Ngakoue,Darron Lee, Deion Jones, Su’a Cravens // Scooby Wright III(ILB/OLB), Alex McCalister, Dadi Nicolas, Kyler Fackrell, Steve Longa///Victor Ochi, Kamalei Correa, Josh Perry, Joe Schobert, Stephen Weatherly, James Cowser,////Eric Striker, Jordan Jenkins/////Tyrone Holmes, Curt Maggitt (injury sleeper), Theiren Cockran, Silverberry Mouhon, Jimmy Bean

Tweeners (DE/OLB): /Shaq Lawson, Kevin Dodd

T: Laremy Tunsil, Ronnie Stanley, Jack Conklin, Jason Spriggs, Germain Ifedi, /Willie Beavers, Shon Coleman, Le’Raven Clark// Caleb Benenoch (sleeper) ///Alex Lewis////Jerald Hawkins/////Tyler Johnstone, Fahn Cooper

NT: A’Shawn Robinson, Jarran Reed/ Andrew Billings, Austin Johnson, Vernon Butler, Kenny Clark, Hassan Ridgeway, Maliek Collins///Willie Henry, D.J. Reader, Darius Latham, ////Vincent Valentine/////Antwaun Woods

ILB: Reggie Ragland //Beniquez Brown, Jaylon Smith, Kentrell Brothers, Josh Forrest, Blake Martinez, Nick Kwiatkoski, Nick Vigil///Dominique Alexander(ILB/OLB) ////Antonio Morrison, Cassanova McKinzy, Jared Norris, Zeek Bigger, /////Frank Shannon, Devante Bond (ILB/OLB), Jake Ganus, Terrance Smith (ILB/OLB), James Burgess, Rodney Hardrick, Mason Monheim, Reggie Northrup, Darryl Monroe, Denzel Devall, Joe Walker

DE: DeForest Buckner, Sheldon Rankins(4-3 guy that doesn’t fit our scheme.) /Adolphus Washington, Jihad Ward//Chris Jones(DE/DT), Bronson Kaufusi, Sheldon Day, Javon Hargrave, Matt Ioannidis,///Quinton Jefferson, Anthony Zettel, Ebuka Onyemata, Ronald Blair/////Lawrence Thomas

4-3 DEs to switch to OLB: Jonathan Bullard, Kevin Dodd, Shaq Lawson/Shilique Calhoun, Carl Nassib, Charles Tapper///Bronson Kaufusi////Jason Fanaika

TE: /Austin Hooper, Hunter Henry, Jerell Adams,//Thomas Duarte, Darion Griswold,Tyler Higbee,///Jake McGee,////Nick Vannett, Henry Krieger-Coble, Kyle Carter, Braxton Deaver (injury sleeper), Jay Rome

TE/Converted WR: ///De’Runnya Wilson, Devon Cajuste/////Billy Freeman

RB: Ezekiel Elliott, Derrick Henry/C.J. Prosise, Kenneth Dixon, Alex Collins//Jonathan Williams (injury sleeper), D.J. Foster, Marshaun Coprich, Devontae Booker///Keith Marshall, Josh Ferguson, Kenyan Drake (health issues), Daniel Lasco, Paul Perkins////Tyler Ervin, Jordan Howard,Wendell Smallwood/////Peyton Barber, Kelvin Taylor, Aaron Green, Brandon Wilds

G: //Joshua Garnett,Vadal Alexander, Joe Dahl,Rees Odhiambo ///Cody Whitehair, Sebastian Tretola, Matt Hegarty////Christian Westerman, Connor McGovern,Alex Redmond, Ted Karras, Jordan Rigsbee /////Denver Kirkland, Landon Turner, Alex Huettel, Lene Maiava, Jonah Austin

WR: Will Fuller, Michael Thomas, Laquon Treadwell/Corey Coleman, Josh Doctson, Sterling Shepard, Pharoh Cooper//Aaron Burbridge, Braxton Miller, Tyler Boyd,Geronimo Allison, Tajaé Sharpe,///Kolby Listenbee, Jalin Marshall, Charone Peake, Rashard Higgins,Chris Brown (sleeper),Chris Moore,////Malcolm Mitchell, Kenny Lawler, Marquez North,Roger Lewis, Paul McRoberts, Demarcus Robinson (head case sleeper) /////Jaydon Mickens, Jordan Payton, Rashawn Scott, Jay Lee, Ellis Henderson

CB: Vernon Hargreaves III, Kendall Fuller,William Jackson,/Xavien Howard, Eli Apple, Mackensie Alexander, Artie Burns, //Zack Sanchez,Will Redmond, Eric Murray, Sean Davis, Daryl Worley///Harlan Miller, Deiondre’ Hall, KeiVarae Russell,D.J. White, ////Maurice Canady, Taveze Calhoun,Corey Tindal, Brian Poole, Kevon Seymour, Fabian Moreau, /////Rashard Robinson (head case sleeper), Lloyd Carrington, Kevin Peterson, Tracy Howard,

CB/S Tweeners: Jalen Ramsey //James Bradberry

QB: Carson Wentz, Jared Goff/Dak Prescott, Christian Hackenberg, Paxton Lynch//Cardale Jones, Jacoby Brissett, Connor Cook///Kevin Hogan////Brandon Allen, Nate Sudfeld, Matt Johnson, Jeff Driskel, Joel Stave

S: /Vonn Bell, James Bradberry, Tyvis Powell,//Keanu Neal,T.J. Green, K.J. Dillon,/// Sean Davis, Karl Joseph, Darian Thompson, Jeremy Cash, Miles Killebrew, Jalen Mills, DeAndre Houston-Carson, Kevin Byard, A.J. Stamps ////Deon Bush /////Jayron Kearse, Jordan Lucas

P: ////Drew Kaser, Drew Meyer, Ethan Perry,/////Alex Kinal, Nick O’Toole, Riley Dixon, Jamie Keehn, Will Monday, Eric Enderson, A.J. Hughes

FB: /////Glenn Gronkowski, Dan Vitale, Derek Watt, Quayvon Hicks


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yooperfan
9 years ago
Very interesting!
Thanks for doing the heavy lifting.
I'm not very familiar with college players so due to work like yours I'm gaining some name recognition at least.
nerdmann
9 years ago

Very interesting!
Thanks for doing the heavy lifting.
I'm not very familiar with college players so due to work like yours I'm gaining some name recognition at least.

Originally Posted by: yooperfan 



I'm gonna do one on sleepers and players that I like too.
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nerdmann
9 years ago
As for Punters, I have Drew Kaser, Drew Meyer, and Ethan Perry rated higher than the pack.

Kaser has a thunder leg, but he can shank them at times.

Meyer and Perry are more "coffin corner" specialists, they don't necessarily have the highest average yard per punt, but they can pin the ball inside the 20 consistently.
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Wade
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9 years ago
Nice list.

Based on your list, the Packers will be choosing between either an offensive skill position or CB if they can't trade up/down. And of those you list at those positions, unless Elliot or maybe Hargreaves is BPA at #27, I'd argue for trading down first if possible.

I would add from your list as worthy of #27, Billings at DT, Butler at DT/DE, and maybe Conklin at OT.

There just aren't 27 players with a 1st grade.
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beast
9 years ago
I have to applaud anyone who attempts to go though everyone, and of course everyone rankings would be different. But here are some of my thoughts/questions/changes.

OLB: I think a number of the "OLBers" would/should be at "ILBer" at least if we're talking about 3-4 defenses like the Packers run, because I don't consider them edge defenders at the NFL level like 3-4 OLB play the edge, such examples include Darron Lee, Deion Jones, Su’a Cravens, Josh Perry and maybe Joe Schobert (I know Schobert played 3-4 OLB in college, but I think his skill set might fit better with ILB in the pros).

ILB: Also the ILBers order surprises me, Beniquez Brown and Josh Forrest in the top 5 ILBers? It could be because I haven't study them enough, but it surprises me to see them so high... of course normally I've been adding some of those other LBers into ILB instead of OLB like you did.

DE/OLB: I almost completely disagree with the 4-3 DEs to switch to OLB.... almost all of them are power 4-3 LDE in the pros (not even RDE, but LDE).

TE: I see Hunter Henry as the top TE, and I very much agree with taking WR Devon Cajuste and making him a receiving TE (thought he's not close on the blocking, in the little bit I've seen) and I believe Dan Vitale should be on the converting to TE list, as he's a jack of all trades, king of none, that has been used everywhere including outside WR, slot WR, TE, H-back, FB and shotgun pass blocking RB.

G: I like Joe Dahl, but I think he's a work in progress and should be behind Cody Whitehair at the very least, and maybe further. Connor McGovern is an interesting one to me, that I think in the right scheme could be much higher, but not sure the Packers are that right scheme for him.

WR: Will Fuller is being over hyped because of his straight line speed... of course team do reach at times based purely on speed. Josh Doctson in some ways reminds me of Jordy Nelson, and Sterling Shepard even more so reminds me of Randall Cobb.

P: Tom Hackett twice won the Ray Guy award for the best punter in college football and he's not even on your top 10 punter list?
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nerdmann
9 years ago

I have to applaud anyone who attempts to go though everyone, and of course everyone rankings would be different. But here are some of my thoughts/questions/changes.

OLB: I think a number of the "OLBers" would/should be at "ILBer" at least if we're talking about 3-4 defenses like the Packers run, because I don't consider them edge defenders at the NFL level like 3-4 OLB play the edge, such examples include Darron Lee, Deion Jones, Su’a Cravens, Josh Perry and maybe Joe Schobert (I know Schobert played 3-4 OLB in college, but I think his skill set might fit better with ILB in the pros).

ILB: Also the ILBers order surprises me, Beniquez Brown and Josh Forrest in the top 5 ILBers? It could be because I haven't study them enough, but it surprises me to see them so high... of course normally I've been adding some of those other LBers into ILB instead of OLB like you did.

DE/OLB: I almost completely disagree with the 4-3 DEs to switch to OLB.... almost all of them are power 4-3 LDE in the pros (not even RDE, but LDE).

TE: I see Hunter Henry as the top TE, and I very much agree with taking WR Devon Cajuste and making him a receiving TE (thought he's not close on the blocking, in the little bit I've seen) and I believe Dan Vitale should be on the converting to TE list, as he's a jack of all trades, king of none, that has been used everywhere including outside WR, slot WR, TE, H-back, FB and shotgun pass blocking RB.

G: I like Joe Dahl, but I think he's a work in progress and should be behind Cody Whitehair at the very least, and maybe further. Connor McGovern is an interesting one to me, that I think in the right scheme could be much higher, but not sure the Packers are that right scheme for him.

WR: Will Fuller is being over hyped because of his straight line speed... of course team do reach at times based purely on speed. Josh Doctson in some ways reminds me of Jordy Nelson, and Sterling Shepard even more so reminds me of Randall Cobb.

P: Tom Hackett twice won the Ray Guy award for the best punter in college football and he's not even on your top 10 punter list?

Originally Posted by: beast 



I didn't rank these guys in the abstract, I kind of went through and judged them based upon, what we are looking for or what we "need" on our team. Except on defense. Because on defense, we don't (apparently) WANT guys who fit our scheme. Dom loves those 4-3 guys. One thing I did show preference for was coverage ability in LBs. Overall speed and coverage ability.

Thing about the WR position is we've got guys. What we NEED is the speedster. Again, I'm not saying abandon BPA, but I tended to rank those guys a little higher.

You're right about Hackett, btw. I'll add him on there. There's a couple of nice punters there, if Ted wanted to spend a pick on one.
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wpr
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9 years ago
Well done nerd. I am amazed anyone would put in this much effort.

I wish someone would convince Teddy that you don't take flyers before the 3rd or 4th round. And the 3rd is kind of pushing it.
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nerdmann
9 years ago

Well done nerd. I am amazed anyone would put in this much effort.

I wish someone would convince Teddy that you don't take flyers before the 3rd or 4th round. And the 3rd is kind of pushing it.

Originally Posted by: wpr 



Honestly, if all the guys I want were gone, and I wasn't getting that great of an offer to trade back, I'd take Jaylon Smith right there. Fuck it man.
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Wade
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9 years ago
I agree with nerd on distinguishing between speed WR and others. In fact, on my board I created a separate category for "speed WR/RB", and ranked it well above the ordinary WR and RB categories. I'd still drop Thomas way down (my board doesn't go past the top 12 at any position), and I'd bring Charone Peake and Tajae Sharpe up a few spots each.

On the other hand, I agree with beast re: reclassifying some of the OLB as ILB, most particularly Lee, D Jones, and Cravens.

I can see why you've got Forrest so high, though, nerd. I currently see him seventh, behind Jack, Lee, Ragland, Cravens, Smith, and Alexander, above Brothers, and well above Martinez, Kwiatoski, and Vigil. I can't decide whether I like him better than Deion Jones.
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