nerdmann
10 years ago

At this point going to a 4-3 makes sense from a simple draft standpoint. A majority of the league runs the 3-4 now and true players for it have become scarce. Thus we get stuck with an endless amount of conversion projects.

Originally Posted by: Mucky Tundra 



Agreed, but I also think we are stocked with 4-3 type players.
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porky88
10 years ago

And that's why I think we should just play both alignments.

If the offense can learn and install different schemes and packages, I don't see why the defense can't.

Originally Posted by: blueleopard 


You hit the nail in the original post. The Patriots do it. They don't do it well, though. That might be why it hasn't taken off, but I do think the next logical step in defensive football is a hybrid defense. The Packers draft versatile players. Mike Neal, Datone Jones, Mike Daniels, Clay Matthews, A.J. Hawk, Brad Jones, and Nick Perry possess the versatility to play at least two positions. Why not take advantage of their versatility?

PackFanWithTwins
10 years ago

And that's why I think we should just play both alignments.

If the offense can learn and install different schemes and packages, I don't see why the defense can't.

Originally Posted by: blueleopard 



The problem IMO is size. Perry and Matthews both are minimum size for OLB, both could lose some for 4-3 LBer. Part of our defensive problem is speed and bulking them op would slow them some.
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beast
10 years ago


I think Capers has a more agressive scheme in his early years with the Packers that he had to get away from simple because he didn't have the pass rushing linemen to get it done, but he did have run defenders to use and went to a less agressive scheme 3-4.

Now with Pickett, Jolly, Raji, Neal and Wilson all FAs Capers might not have the run defenders... but there is the potential he might have some pass rushers... go back to the more agressive scheme?

Jones, Daniels, Wothy/Boyd
Perry, Hawk, Jones, Matthews


It's hard projecting with only 4 DL signed for next year... ether way they need to get some beef.


And I know this is probably going to sound like a very bad idea, but I'm not sure Richardson is good enough in coverage for Safety. I kind of like the idea of possible seeing him some as a coverage ILB (maybe....) ...

Either way you have to fix Safety first before moving Richardson away from it.
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DoddPower
10 years ago

I would say we should go with an aggressive 4-3. We have the bodies. Matthews and Perry both could play 4-3 LB along with Hawk.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins 



Perry has looked atrocious in space the last several weeks, and for the most part, isn't showing the speed and strength he displayed at the combine. I hope it's just because of the injury. Either way, he really let me down the last part of the season. The defense really needed him to step up, and he gets mostly beat out by an unrestricted free agent rookie. Disappointing.
blueleopard
10 years ago
If I'm not mistaken, Perry's (celebration) sack today was with his hand on the ground.

But yeah the guy has been very injury prone. Everybody has. When I was trying to make a mock 4-3 lineup, I kept forgetting a bunch of people. There's depth. It's just that all the depth died.
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