DoddPower
11 years ago

The D did step up at times in this last game. Doesn't mean Capers is awesome.

I actually kind of view him as a guy who just doesn't want to work hard. He gets a new job and makes a good impression, then tries to coast as long as he can get away with it.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



Capers isn't a horrible coach. He can be good, at times. But he's inconsistent and often doesn't get the most out of his players. Being average just isn't good enough. I just think it's time for a fresh start, that's all. I can't imagine another talented coach doing much worse, and it's possible they could be much better. I think it's worth the risk.
beast
11 years ago


The Packers are struggling at DL, OLB and S because of lack of good healthy talent.


OLB position is very important to the 3-4 defense. Matthews is injury, Neal and Perry are banged up and don't quite seem like true 3-4 OLBers yet at much as 4-3 DE standing up...

With the DL they're struggling at good healthy run stuffers who are good at OL clogging. With out that most defenses 3-4 defenses struggle to stop the run.

And it doesn't matter what defense you're in, if the FS is struggling it's hard to hide it against a good or decent passing attack... and the Packers just plain in simple don't have a true FS other than maybe Jennings and he's been error prone.



It doesn't matter who's coaching those areas are very hard to cover up in a 3-4 defense.


Also I've read that Gilbert Brown and LeRoy Butler were on some radio show, and they basically said the defense seemed to have the right call in place and the players tried to do the right thing, but they failed execute, and the defenses struggles have been more on the players and not the calls.

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DoddPower
11 years ago

The Packers are struggling at DL, OLB and S because of lack of good healthy talent.


OLB position is very important to the 3-4 defense. Matthews is injury, Neal and Perry are banged up and don't quite seem like true 3-4 OLBers yet at much as 4-3 DE standing up...

With the DL they're struggling at good healthy run stuffers who are good at OL clogging. With out that most defenses 3-4 defenses struggle to stop the run.

And it doesn't matter what defense you're in, if the FS is struggling it's hard to hide it against a good or decent passing attack... and the Packers just plain in simple don't have a true FS other than maybe Jennings and he's been error prone.



It doesn't matter who's coaching those areas are very hard to cover up in a 3-4 defense.


Also I've read that Gilbert Brown and LeRoy Butler were on some radio show, and they basically said the defense seemed to have the right call in place and the players tried to do the right thing, but they failed execute, and the defenses struggles have been more on the players and not the calls.

Originally Posted by: beast 



Does this same explanation apply for the past few years, though? To me, the problems are much deeper than just this season and can't be explained in just that context, which it seems like some are trying to do.

texaspackerbacker
11 years ago

Seems to me only Texas wants Dom back, and anybody that has argued with him knows how smart he is. [sarcasm]

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Originally Posted by: DakotaT 



Maybe I'm just the only ones with the balls to say it clearly.

And even I wouldn't be too upset with that "start fresh" idea. The point is, whether it's Capers or somebody else, the personnel the D coordinator has to work with ain't up to standard. That became dead obvious when Rodgers went down, and bad D started costing us games rather than just style points.

Whoever the D coordinator is, he damn well better be prepared to do some creative things - similar to Capers, because we just don't have the players to line up and maul the other team.

Assuming we also are not gonna be blessed with a new GM, the GM we have better get his head out of his ass and draft and/or sign us some quality - Safety(s), at least one ILB, and a bookend OLB, assuming Perry isn't the answer. I actually think we already have decent D Line quality. We just need to get rid of Raji and Pickett, and get a leaner more athletic rotation - Daniels, D. Jones, Neal back to DE, Worthy, Jolly, Boyd.


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DakotaT
11 years ago

Maybe I'm just the only ones with the balls to say it clearly.

And even I wouldn't be too upset with that "start fresh" idea. The point is, whether it's Capers or somebody else, the personnel the D coordinator has to work with ain't up to standard. That became dead obvious when Rodgers went down, and bad D started costing us games rather than just style points.

Whoever the D coordinator is, he damn well better be prepared to do some creative things - similar to Capers, because we just don't have the players to line up and maul the other team.

Assuming we also are not gonna be blessed with a new GM, the GM we have better get his head out of his ass and draft and/or sign us some quality - Safety(s), at least one ILB, and a bookend OLB, assuming Perry isn't the answer. I actually think we already have decent D Line quality. We just need to get rid of Raji and Pickett, and get a leaner more athletic rotation - Daniels, D. Jones, Neal back to DE, Worthy, Jolly, Boyd.

Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker 



The only thing new in Green Bay next year will be our draft. You can continue to slurp on Dom all you want to. It seriously does not make you right in a way on this particular topic. Fucken guy should have been fired after last year's playoff collapse - but that was all on Walden right?
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beast
11 years ago

Does this same explanation apply for the past few years, though? To me, the problems are much deeper than just this season and can't be explained in just that context, which it seems like some are trying to do.

Originally Posted by: DoddPower 



I forget which site it was but I saw somewhere they broke down Packers defense NFL team rankings in yardage given up and points given up since 2000.

Capers had 3 of the top 5 in both but he also had two really low years... I think it was 2011 and 2013.

2011 they were using Dom's agressive scheme but they were failing to get pass rush pressure from anyone but Matthews and with Tramon hurt, Woodson slowing down and Collin career over they couldn't cover either.

2013 I talked about above, the DL run stuffing isn't winning often enough, OLBers are injured or hurt and not playing that well and the team has no good true FS.



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blueleopard
11 years ago
I like Kevin Greene as a motivator, but the man isn't ready.

If anybody on the current staff should take the reins from Capers, it should be Winston Moss.

He's been in talks for HC positions for a number of years now, but he's always just coached linebackers. I wanna see what his defensive schemes are not that he's worked with both 4-3 and 3-4 bases.
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PackFanWithTwins
11 years ago

I like Kevin Greene as a motivator, but the man isn't ready.

If anybody on the current staff should take the reins from Capers, it should be Winston Moss.

He's been in talks for HC positions for a number of years now, but he's always just coached linebackers. I wanna see what his defensive schemes are not that he's worked with both 4-3 and 3-4 bases.

Originally Posted by: blueleopard 



I don't think Moss will ever be a DC. Though he might be a head coach someday. He seems more like a player personnel coach. I could see him being a coach like Tomlin, not running either offense of defense leaving that for the Coordinators.
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mi_keys
11 years ago

I like Kevin Greene as a motivator, but the man isn't ready.

Originally Posted by: blueleopard 



That may be the case but we can't be sure of that. That's why some wanted us to fire Capers mid-season and give Greene an extended interview as interim DC. Truely find out what you have at a time when the defense couldn't have played much worse.
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texaspackerbacker
11 years ago

The only thing new in Green Bay next year will be our draft. You can continue to slurp on Dom all you want to. It seriously does not make you right in a way on this particular topic. Fucken guy should have been fired after last year's playoff collapse - but that was all on Walden right?

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 



You probably are correct about the draft only thing, and that may be enough. One very good safety, a new ILB to go with Lattimore, and maybe an OLB if it becomes obvious Perry ain't the answer, that might be enough - except for the O Line, but that's another story.

Contrary to what you keep saying, I'm not that hung up on Capers. I'm more about saying we have PERSONNEL problems, not a coaching problem. Nobody is gonna do a good job with what we currently have, least of all a rah rah guy like Greene who doesn't even seem to have done a good job as a position coach. At least you, Dakota, are not pushing for him (are you?).

If we really need a new DC (which I still say we don't), how about Greg Robinson? I assume he is done at Univ. of Texas with Mack Brown leaving. He was the Saints bounty guy, right? But other than that, he's been a great DC - and plenty LOUD - to satisfy the people around here who crave for a motivator. I think Robinson will end up with the Cowboys, though, when they fire Kiffin as DC.

Edit: I'm wrong. It was Gregg WILLIAMS in New Orleans. Oh well, maybe he's available too hahahaha, for you anybody-but-Capers guys.
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