Zero2Cool
11 years ago
The Patriots are better because they adapt to their personnel. The Packers seem to stubbornly try to change players to fit their scheme instead of playing to their players strengths.
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DarkaneRules
11 years ago
Plus they have Tom Brady. What else do you need? Patriots have actually been pretty average to below average as far as defense for years now, but never quite as crazy bad as we have had the tendency of being.
Circular Arguments: They are a heck of an annoyance
hardrocker950
11 years ago

Plus they have Tom Brady. What else do you need? Patriots have actually been pretty average to below average as far as defense for years now, but never quite as crazy bad as we have had the tendency of being.

Originally Posted by: DarkaneRules 



If we had a consistently average-ish D, threads like this wouldn't be so popular. As in the example of the Pats - you don't often hear people bashing their D, because they don't shit the bed regularly.

All this team really needs is a defense that can hold their own and play fundamentally sound football. The offense is good enough that they shouldn't have to be exceptional every week on D to win most games. Most of the players we need are there, just a handful of guys that could use an upgrade. Get those and a quality DC and we should be a lot better.
Zero2Cool
10 years ago
Defense forced three 3 and outs.

START	QTR	POSS.	YARD	PLAYS	YARDS	RESULT
15:00	1	01:37	GB 42	3	7	Punt
05:43	1	03:36	CHI 20	8	80	Touchdown
14:21	2	01:25	CHI 20	3	5	Punt
07:59	2	01:39	CHI 10	3	0	Punt
03:28	2	01:41	CHI 15	4	27	Fumble
13:18	3	02:32	GB 30	5	30	Touchdown
07:27	3	02:23	CHI 26	4	74	Touchdown
03:27	3	03:32	CHI 32	7	68	Touchdown
11:38	4	05:06	CHI 26	8	29	Punt
00:38	4	00:38	CHI 40	4	15	End of Half

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10 years ago
He still should be fired. 1 game doesn't count one way or the other.

But in yesterday's game-
Cutler has a 103.8 rating. It would have been higher except for the incompletions and int on the last drive.
Forte had a 5 yard per carry average. That is with 22 attempts. Ridiculous. Bush only carried twice and he had a 5.5. avg.
Only 1 sack. I know there were a few pressures but there could have and should have been more with the weak OL of the Bears that was made even more so when the RG left.
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DakotaT
10 years ago

He still should be fired. 1 game doesn't count one way or the other.

But in yesterday's game-
Cutler has a 103.8 rating. It would have been higher except for the incompletions and int on the last drive.
Forte had a 5 yard per carry average. That is with 22 attempts. Ridiculous. Bush only carried twice and he had a 5.5. avg.
Only 1 sack. I know there were a few pressures but there could have and should have been more with the weak OL of the Bears that was made even more so when the RG left.

Originally Posted by: wpr 



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Now how in the hell do you expect the rah rah boys around here to jacked up to play the 49ers after laying all these facts out for them to digest? Jesus Christ, might as well just take away their birthdays while you're at it.

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PackFanWithTwins
10 years ago
I still look and question, is the coaching the problem, or is it the players not executing. We gave up some big runs because Lattimore was out of position in his run responsibility. We gave up receptions because coverage wasn't there. How much of that can you blame Capers for? Is McCarthy to blame for Rodgers throwing INT or players dropping balls?


The world needs ditch diggers too Danny!!!
DakotaT
10 years ago

I still look and question, is the coaching the problem, or is it the players not executing. We gave up some big runs because Lattimore was out of position in his run responsibility. We gave up receptions because coverage wasn't there. How much of that can you blame Capers for? Is McCarthy to blame for Rodgers throwing INT or players dropping balls?

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins 



Most of us want a top ten defense. Year in a year out, we are just not getting that done under Capers. It's not Capers fault that Raji turned into a turd, it isn't his fault the Casey Hayward was injured all year, or that Matthews has missed so much time. It is his fault that proper adjustments aren't made. If you load Capers up, he's capable - but that's not the measure of a good coach. Getting it done when the chips are down is. This is where Capers fails miserably.
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play2win
10 years ago

He still should be fired. 1 game doesn't count one way or the other.

But in yesterday's game-
Cutler has a 103.8 rating. It would have been higher except for the incompletions and int on the last drive.
Forte had a 5 yard per carry average. That is with 22 attempts. Ridiculous. Bush only carried twice and he had a 5.5. avg.
Only 1 sack. I know there were a few pressures but there could have and should have been more with the weak OL of the Bears that was made even more so when the RG left.

Originally Posted by: wpr 



It has been a dicey issue, for years. Dakota called for his head, and so did I and many others here. The one thing that I always wonder about though, is the players we have on board. We've been in need of Safety upgrades for 3 years now, and the issue has primarily gone unaddressed.

Is this really Capers' fault? There are other areas on this D that has been deficient in terms of talent. I'm struggling to see that the blame lies solely with Capers in this regard.

Statistically, we've been horrid on D. But, like hardrocker said, we don't necessarily have to be all that great, just good enough to get the job done. I'm wondering if we might be able to do that, and make the real run to a 5th Lombardi Trophy… I mean, if we are going to better our defensive play, stats and standing, we could not pick a better time to do that than now.

If Dom Capers can get this bunch to play lights out and help us win in the playoffs, then my hat will be off to him. We'll see what happens. I'm hoping to be eating a giant plate of crow...
PackFanWithTwins
10 years ago

Most of us want a top ten defense. Year in a year out, we are just not getting that done under Capers. It's not Capers fault that Raji turned into a turd, it isn't his fault the Casey Hayward was injured all year, or that Matthews has missed so much time. It is his fault that proper adjustments aren't made. If you load Capers up, he's capable - but that's not the measure of a good coach. Getting it done when the chips are down is. This is where Capers fails miserably.

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 



What adjustments should he have made? He has played, pretty much every player he has available in different combinations. I don't know what else schematically he could do.

I could see saying he needs to be replaced because the players are not responding to him anymore possibly.
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