But if you discover a difference, what does that accomplish? Again, if ESPN wants to go to all the trouble I'm not opposed to it, but it seems like a lot of work for inconsequential gains.

Do you NEED the QBR for HOF voting, for Pro Bowl voting, for MVP voting? In all instances we can think of how the eyeball test trumped stats. Vick was 2nd in MVP voting playing only 12 games and having inferior statistics to Schaub, Rodgers, Manning, Roddy White, A.Peterson, etc. but people understood his impact to the team w/o some fancy schmancy new stat.

All this QBR seems to accomplish is to give Skip Bayless or Colin Cowherd another arbitrary number to site when arguing who the best QB in the league is.

Originally Posted by: musccy 

If people can vote a guy to the probowl or HOF that didn't earn it, there should be an empirical way to say they were wrong. If just for the fun of being able to prove someone wrong.

Actually, Vick going over Rodgers kind of proves they need one.

Originally Posted by: Dexter_Sinister 

Defending traditional passer rating 

Passer Rating: A Deadly Accurate Indicator of Team Success

In ESPN's defense, the purpose of its effort is to find a better way to measure the all-around game of an individual quarterback. And "Total Quarterback Rating" may one day prove a great indicator of an individual quarterback's own personal abilities. Existing passer rating, meanwhile, purports to tell us only one thing: which quarterback is the most efficient passer.

So we appreciate the effort to find new ways to measure a quarterback's abilities. But the Cold, Hard Football Facts will repel any attack upon the existing passer rating's incredible record of success.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/kerry_byrne/08/03/defending-qb-rating/index.html#ixzz1VtL9Oobq 

Good overall article.. worth the read..

Originally Posted by: Pack93z 

Note I said rushing success. I did not say to pass every single down. No reading between the lines here.

Originally Posted by: zombieslayer 

That is all I ever argued personally.. run enough to provide balance.. unless it is in time consumption mode.. then run as much as you can if successful.. it will wear down the clock and save your defense.

Originally Posted by: Pack93z 

And he's missed that point about a dozen times and continues to bang the same 'its a passing league' drum as if he's the only one to know that. 🤦

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 

I am a little annoyed. I asked zombieslayer to post that article for me, since my time online is so limited lately, but he let Shawn get to it first. 👎

Originally Posted by: Nonstopdrivel 

It's not that "it's a passing league" is controversial. The statements I've made about "rushing success doesn't matter whatsoever" and "an elite RB actually hurts your team" and "don't waste money on RBs when you can get decent ones for cheap then get rid of them if they want more money" are controversial. That's what gets people bent out of shape.

Originally Posted by: zombieslayer