Did The Absence of Ryan Grant Hold The 2010 Offense Back?· Page 4

earthquake
Member

13 years ago

Yeah but those hard facts by them selves don't mean one is better in a real team game like football is.

Because you also have to factor in Steven Jackson was the Rams offense for a while. Other teams game plans where don't let this guy kill us, make the rest of the team beat us.

Grant on the other hand (at least while with the Packers) has always had a pretty good passing attack around him which other team defenses focused on, which took pressure off of him.

Originally Posted by: beast

This is a pretty common argument, that better passing O = better stats for RBs. I dont really see it, look at 2009 with the vikes. Its the only time AP had a legitimate passing attack, and he put up a career low for rushing average. Generally, the more running backs tend to be used, the average they put up, the more times in a game you run the ball with a certain back, the greater the chance he breaks a big one. This is the case with AP and its generally the case with Grant too, the more you give him the ball, the better he tends to do.

So, this idea that having a great passing attack makes it easier for a RB to look good, I really just dont buy it.

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nerdmann
Premier Member

13 years ago

#32

Being on a better team makes your individual stats look better. There is no comparison between Grant Steven Jackson. Jackson can also catch the ball, get around the corner, make people miss, has vision to actually SEE holes, can cut without stopping first, etc. Thing is, he was their only weapon. Teams could key on him to win the game.

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Dexter_Sinister
Registered

13 years ago

#33

Originally Posted by: beast

In the modern NFL, you don't have to worry about shutting down the run game. You have to contain it. Don't allow a break away, let them get 100 yards and shut down the pass.

That is why Capers developed the psycho package. If you shut down the pass, you win.

We did that with Peterson. Let him get his yards, keep defenders in front of him so he can't break one for a TD from 20+ out and shut down the passing game. We won both games.

It is hard to argue with someone who ignores facts. Like Grant's 40 time and top 10 production.
Grants responsibility is to produce yards. That is the only thing he is responsible for. He does it better than most. Anything else is spin.

It reminds me of all the trolls that bashed Rodgers because he didn't have the "intangibles". If you lose the argument on facts, you have to pull out feelings and impressions. Because they are way more accurate than facts.

I want to go out like my Grandpa did. Peacefully in his sleep.
Not screaming in terror like his passengers.

Zero2Cool
Elite Member

13 years ago

#34

It's also Ryan Grant's responsibility to run into his own lineman while totaling more than 1,200 yards rushing. 🙂

Dexter_Sinister
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13 years ago

#35

Originally Posted by: earthquake

That is why it is hard for a team to be a super bowl contender with a top running back. They tend to take away from the Passing game which has been shown to actually improve your odds of winning the better it is ranked. Unlike the running game.

The most important stats to have are passer rating differential and turnover differential. If you are higher ranked in those categories, you are much more likely to win. As close as it gets to a guarantee in the NFL. Rush Yardage differential can be negative and you still have close to the same odds to win.

I want to go out like my Grandpa did. Peacefully in his sleep.
Not screaming in terror like his passengers.

Dexter_Sinister
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13 years ago

#36

It's also Ryan Grant's responsibility to run into his own lineman while totaling more than 1,200 yards rushing. :)

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool

I didn't quite laugh out loud. I did sort of chortle. SOCOL.

I want to go out like my Grandpa did. Peacefully in his sleep.
Not screaming in terror like his passengers.

beast
Select Member

13 years ago

#37

It is hard to argue with someone who ignores facts. Like Grant's 40 time and top 10 production.

Originally Posted by: Dexter_Sinister

Are you directing this towards me and saying I'm ignoring those?

Because if you are then you're wrong.

porky88
Veteran Member

13 years ago

#38

Originally Posted by: beast

Also, don't forget to consider Jackson as an every-down RB. In the Packer offense, he could catch probably 40-50 passes, which is something Grant doesn't do. Grant is a very solid RB, but Steven Jackson is among the best in the NFC.

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Dexter_Sinister
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13 years ago

#39

Originally Posted by: porky88

Grant did have 73 catches in 2.5 years.

I want to go out like my Grandpa did. Peacefully in his sleep.
Not screaming in terror like his passengers.

Dexter_Sinister
Registered

13 years ago

#40

Are you directing this towards me and saying I'm ignoring those?

Because if you are then you're wrong.

Originally Posted by: beast

My appologies, it was more directed more generally. I probably should have put that in a separate post.

I want to go out like my Grandpa did. Peacefully in his sleep.
Not screaming in terror like his passengers.

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