Zero2Cool
14 years ago

plainly and simply, the union has said we will take pay cuts, pay our pension, and pay our insurance, but we still want to bargain a contract. Watch the news, it has been reported for days now.

Collective bargaining entails sitting down with management, and negotiating pay, retirement, insurance and grievance procedures through arbitration.

Which means an outside source will listen to both sides and decide a fair deal for both parties. It also means, the union has the ability to look at the states financial status to bargain a contract.

I just want to know how many people that hate the unions so much, were you ever part of a union?

did YOU EVER WRITE A GRIEVANCE AND go to union meetings?

"dhpackr" wrote:



I LIVE IN COLORADO!!!
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longtimefan
14 years ago



I just want to know how many people that hate the unions so much, were you ever part of a union?

did YOU EVER WRITE A GRIEVANCE AND go to union meetings?

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I don't "hate" the unions.

I never have worked for a union, but I was on the opposing side in two plants, the management side.

Countless grievance hearings... and we tried to work through them fairly.

But a worker that had no business holding a job because of their effort, lasted far longer than they ever should have based on merit because the union had to protect them. They also failed to look at the big picture often that holding onto unproductive workers were actually putting more of their brothers and sisters that honestly put in a days work in a pinch because of the salary and productivity burdens that we placed on them because of the "turds".

When a Supervisor or we as management messed up and effected a productive worker.. I had no issue with working through the issue. But I would do that regardless of the union or not.

I guess it really depends on the situation and the management team, I know I took enough heat from my stance in working with the union verse fighting them tooth and nail on everything from the Board and Corner fourth floor office of the President.. but at the end of the day, I brought production up, cost down and generally had a solid relationship with the workforce at the Glass plant. The vinyl plant was being sold and the workers were being merged into the other plants.. the marching orders there were much different than running a productive plant, it was ramping down production, managing inventory to minimize loss and dealing with workers being displaced from their current positions.. 9 months of hating going to work, but we kept all but 3 workers out of 97. Just they whined about moving to one plant or another.

"dhpackr" wrote:



I dont hate them either..Just want to help pay for the benefits (that tax $ pay for) I shouldnt have to pay more for road construction or pick up someone esle's share

Would you want to pay someones grocery bill that is in front of you? Thats how I feel

I was VP of our local chapter and wrote up grievances..

Last one a guy got fired for failing drug test when he got hurt..But Dr said it could have been 12 hours prior..

We fell back on past practice of an employee losing a hand when he was LEGALLY drunk..The company didnt fire him but sent him to rehab

We just wanted the drug failed employee a chance at rehab

Our union wasnt very strong was more for pay raises and on time reviews.
dhpackr
14 years ago


I dont hate them either..Just want to help pay for the benefits (that tax $ pay for) I shouldnt have to pay more for road construction or pick up someone esle's share

Would you want to pay someones grocery bill that is in front of you? Thats how I feel

"longtimefan" wrote:


huh?
So if you meet me Have some courtesy, Have some sympathy, and some taste
Use all your well-learned politesse, Or I'll lay your soul to waste
Zero2Cool
14 years ago
Thanks for answering my questions... BAN!
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djcubez
14 years ago
Whoa. I can't believe this was on Fox News:

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dhpackr
14 years ago
nice vid, i'm gonna repost.
not a surprise to me. If anybody thinks i feel scott walker is doing this for the better of wisconsin and wants the state to get out of debt, you got to be crazy.

i said all along, walker is doing this to break the union, he could care less about this state. he will fail, and it will end his career.
So if you meet me Have some courtesy, Have some sympathy, and some taste
Use all your well-learned politesse, Or I'll lay your soul to waste
Formo
14 years ago


i said all along, walker is doing this to break the union, he could care less about this state. he will fail, and it will end his career.

"dhpackr" wrote:



I don't think he cares less about the state...

According to this article , he's doing it with a TON of support. But you are right in that he's doing it to break the union. His career? I think it just started. Maybe not as WI's governor, but he's known now world-wide.
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djcubez
14 years ago
Apparently some guy posed as David Koch to get a phone conversation with Scott Walker. It sounds pretty real.

Check it out here .
musccy
14 years ago
You have to be kidding me...that just showed up on FOX NEWS?!?!?!?! Where the hell were the producers of the show? Did Keith Olbermann drug them and drag them out behind the studio? I can not believe that Fox just had a key contributor (especially considering the left-bashing opportunities he provides after his controversial split from NPR) rationally argue a topic and ultimately side with the left. Holy cats, the end of the world must be coming tomorrow, time to fulfill my bucket list!
porky88
14 years ago

You have to be kidding me...that just showed up on FOX NEWS?!?!?!?! Where the hell were the producers of the show? Did Keith Olbermann drug them and drag them out behind the studio? I can not believe that Fox just had a key contributor (especially considering the left-bashing opportunities he provides after his controversial split from NPR) rationally argue a topic and ultimately side with the left. Holy cats, the end of the world must be coming tomorrow, time to fulfill my bucket list!

"musccy" wrote:



Shep Smith's show is pretty fair. Actually, I find him to be one of the better anchors on TV.
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