Cheesey
12 years ago

If Walker is going to cut the pay and benefits of Wisconsin teachers, raise the cost of tuition to become a teacher, take away your rights to bargain a fair contract which determines benefits and pay, cause class size to increase, then why exactly would any bright young student who is about to go at least 30,000 dollars in debt to pay for their education choose to be a teacher?

The answer is quite simple, they are not. I think teachers in public education are just as important as police and firefighters. To be a teacher in public education it is almost mandatory to have an graduate degree. If it requires that kind of investment, that should be compensated for, or the education that is required to obtain an teaching position should be free.

Originally Posted by: dhpackr 



You made a good point, and probably don't even realize it. The main word is "FAIR".
A FAIR contract. Not one that gives you a lifetime job, where if you have "tenure" all you have to do is show up, and you get your pay check and benefits. Tell me, how many private sector jobs get the pay/benefits that teachers get? Or can goof off and not get in trouble/lose their jobs?
WHY are there so many people wanting to be teachers? The pay and benefits possibly???
I am NOT saying there are no good teachers out there that really DO care about the children. I have had the honor of knowing some of them. But i also have known WAY too many that were on "cruise control" and didn't give a damn about the kids learning.
I had one that litterally slept through every class. Another that had a booze bottle in his desk at all times, several that would say "read pages 20 through 40" and then would leave and go to the teacher's lounge the whole hour, one that verbally abused meall year because of the religion i was at the time.
When my Dad died when i was 16, i went off the deep end my senior year and missed most of the school year because i was out getting drunk most nights. Not ONE teacher asked me if anything was wrong.
And the day i graduated high school (i barely passed my senior year because of stated reason) my "guidence counselor" spent an hour before the ceremony screaming at me that i was lazy and didn't deserve to graduate. He not ONCE asked me what was going on that caused it. (I still graduated in the top third of my class).

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Wade
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12 years ago
Personally, I wish we'd ban the word "fair" from our political vocabulary.


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zombieslayer
12 years ago

Personally, I wish we'd ban the word "fair" from our political vocabulary.

Originally Posted by: Wade 



Two things I not a fan of:
1) "fair",
2) "there outta be a law"

No. Whenever I hear either, I'm about to get screwed.

Or another: "we need to protect the children." There. Something I once enjoyed is now illegal.

Today's buzzword though is "terrorists." Whenever a politician mentions "terrorists," your privacy is about to be reduced.
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Zero2Cool
12 years ago

Two things I not a fan of:
1) "fair",
2) "there outta be a law"

No. Whenever I hear either, I'm about to get screwed.

Or another: "we need to protect the children." There. Something I once enjoyed is now illegal.

Today's buzzword though is "terrorists." Whenever a politician mentions "terrorists," your privacy is about to be reduced.

Originally Posted by: zombieslayer 


but but but if the government is able to monitor everytime you take a piss, you don't have to worry about ANYTHING in the world at all!!!!

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4PackGirl
12 years ago
the illinois legislature passed a law last year allowing school districts to fire teachers (tenured or not) due to lack of performance. the union is still there but with a little less power. why didn't wisconsin just do that? or did they? i don't follow politics much - least of all in WI!! 🙂
wpr
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12 years ago
Romney was in Janesville, WI yesterday. While I know he needs to make many appearances in the state between now and Nov in order to have any chance of winning its Electoral votes I have to wonder if the appearance was already in place before the results of the recall vote or if he and his camp threw something together after they knew the results.

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Cheesey
12 years ago
My "guess" is that he waited for the results.
Now Romney knows that he has a chance in Wisconsin.

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porky88
12 years ago

Romney was in Janesville, WI yesterday. While I know he needs to make many appearances in the state between now and Nov in order to have any chance of winning its Electoral votes I have to wonder if the appearance was already in place before the results of the recall vote or if he and his camp threw something together after they knew the results.

Originally Posted by: wpr 


I don't think he waited at all. The Big Ten states will decide the elections. For whatever reason, John McCain largely ignored the Midwest and focused on winning all the Bush states from '04. Now it wouldn't have changed the outcome of the election, as '08 was a wave, but there is a false perception that the Big Ten is blue. It's not. It's an even split, so Romney will undoubtedly campaign hard in these states. I think he'll take a running mate from the Midwest, too. Paul Ryan, Rob Portman, and Tim Pawlenty immediately come to mind.
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12 years ago

I don't think he waited at all. The Big Ten states will decide the elections. For whatever reason, John McCain largely ignored the Midwest and focused on winning all the Bush states from '04. Now it wouldn't have changed the outcome of the election, as '08 was a wave, but there is a false perception that the Big Ten is blue. It's not. It's an even split, so Romney will undoubtedly campaign hard in these states. I think he'll take a running mate from the Midwest, too. Paul Ryan, Rob Portman, and Tim Pawlenty immediately come to mind.

Originally Posted by: porky88 



Ok. I just found the timing of the rally interesting and wondered when they set it up. Certainly he needs to make appearances in WI (and often). I guess I am a little cynical and would not be surprised if they waited until after the recall was done before they finalized the details. That doesn't make him a bad guy or scheming or anything like that.
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