Zero2Cool
14 years ago
What's the deal? I see lots of my family/friends on Facebook bitchin bout it, but not a clue whats going down. Seen it on CNN today too.
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Porforis
14 years ago
Trust me, you don't want to know. If you thought politics was ridiculous and childish already, this shit is going to drive you nuts no matter what end of the spectrum you're on. It's bringing all the crazies out.
Tezzy
14 years ago
For a fun leisurely read.

SENATE BILL 11 
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14 years ago
With NFL owners about to lock out the players in an effort to get leverage in their contract dispute, it just seems silly that the Packers would say that.
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djcubez
14 years ago

For a fun leisurely read.

SENATE BILL 11 

"Tezzy" wrote:



It'd be nice to have a summary ;)

But I am seriously annoyed at how many people take stances on the bill without really knowing what it's doing (myself included). I'm watching the news and reading the articles and all they report on is the protests. They don't actually say what's really going on with the bill. Maybe if people were educated better...
Porforis
14 years ago

For a fun leisurely read.

SENATE BILL 11 

"djcubez" wrote:



It'd be nice to have a summary ;)

But I am seriously annoyed at how many people take stances on the bill without really knowing what it's doing (myself included). I'm watching the news and reading the articles and all they report on is the protests. They don't actually say what's really going on with the bill. Maybe if people were educated better...

"Tezzy" wrote:



NO, Scott Walker is Hitler and wants to eat your children. If you don't have children, he will force you to reproduce asexually so that the child consumption may commence.
porky88
14 years ago

For a fun leisurely read.

SENATE BILL 11 

"djcubez" wrote:



It'd be nice to have a summary ;)

But I am seriously annoyed at how many people take stances on the bill without really knowing what it's doing (myself included). I'm watching the news and reading the articles and all they report on is the protests. They don't actually say what's really going on with the bill. Maybe if people were educated better...

"Tezzy" wrote:



Admittedly, I am still taking this all in. He wants to balance the budget, though Wisconsin's budget apparently isn't as bad as most other states. If it werent for Walker's tax breaks, it would be a surplus for this year.

From what I understand, the bill also would force union workers to pay a higher share of health costs and pensions, which seems reasonable IMO. What has the union protesting is Walker wants to take away or limit union's rights to negotiate on anything outside of their wages. In a nutshell, getting rid of collective bargaining is what is driving the protest.

But this seems more political than it does about balancing the budget. I'm not sure collective bargaining adds a dime. It is just the right to negotiate from what I understand. Most unions are pro democrat and if he can take away their rights, it is a big blow for them heading into 2012.

Also, the only exceptions are firefighters, police, and state troopers. All those organizations supported Walker in the 2010 election.

He isn't doing anything the democrats wouldn't do themselves, which is try to gain an upper advantage politically for his party, but he did criticize the health care bill process and that was debated for like a year in a half. This has been public for like a week.

For the record, don't buy into fox news highlighting protesters saying Walker is Hitler and all that crap. Yeah, there are some because there is no such thing as 30,000 normal or levelheaded people in one place at a time. Madison police did say that the protests have been peaceful thus far, so I'll take their word for it.
K_Buz
14 years ago

If it werent for Walker's tax breaks, it would be a surplus for this year.



I was wondering where you heard this? Everything I have read says WI is facing a $3 BIL shortfall even before Walker took office.
Porforis
14 years ago

He isn't doing anything the democrats wouldn't do themselves, which is try to gain an upper advantage politically for his party

"porky88" wrote:



Exactly why I refuse to debate this anymore. Sick and tired of people being unwilling to see that they'd be okay with what Walker/the Senate Democrats were doing if the situations were reversed. So many people eager and willing to turn a blind eye to bad behavior as long as it's in line with their viewpoints. So take your crappy, slimy politicians and enjoy them, because you're just emboldening them. Either stand up and fight bad politics even if you agree with the ends, or lie down and take it.
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