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Zero2Cool
Elite Member

13 years ago

The way I interpreted what Finland wrote is that no team picks the BPA every single time. But I suppose the way he wrote it was a bit ambiguous.

"Greg C." wrote:

Yep, I'm pretty sure that's what he meant too, but I'm already going a little crazy with all this extra time on my hands with no football.

I'd agree, there's probably not many, if any team that drafts solely on the best player available. I'd suspect that a vast majority of picks by successful teams are taking the best player available.

porky88
Veteran Member

13 years ago

#52

Here is my mock draft

Mock Draft

32. Green Bay Packers -- Stefen Wisniewski, OG/C, Penn State
GM Ted Thompson is famous for trading away Brett Favre three years ago. What gets loss is that Thompson has a remarkable record of accomplishment drafting in the first round. Five of his six first round picks started in Super Bowl XLV. Like Bryan Bulaga last season, Wisniewski isnt flashy, but he finishes blocks in the run game and is assignment sound.

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blueleopard
Member

13 years ago

#53

I don't know the answer to this. I do wonder, has Mel Kiper Jr ever predicted correctly a Ted Thompson first round pick?

"Kingkoopa" wrote:

Yes, he predicted BB to the Packers this past year.

Green Bay Packers
23. Bryan Bulaga OT, Iowa
Kiper: Green Bay is lucky Aaron Rodgers was still standing at the end of last season. The Packers can't take that chance again. Upgrading the offensive line is a huge priority, and although Bulaga has had his off days, he's an impressive talent who moves well and has long arms that disrupt pass-rushers.

"Zero2Cool" wrote:

http://slumz.boxden.com/f16/mel-kiper-todd-mcshay-mock-draft-3-0-splitting-differences-1350592/

That's weird. Most of the scouting reports I read say Bulaga fell because his arms were short.

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Nonstopdrivel
Preferred Member

13 years ago

#54

32. Green Bay Packers -- Stefen Wisniewski, OG/C, Penn State
GM Ted Thompson is famous for trading away Brett Favre three years ago. What gets lost is that Thompson has a remarkable record of accomplishment drafting in the first round. Five of his six first round picks started in Super Bowl XLV. Like Bryan Bulaga last season, Wisniewski isnt flashy, but he finishes blocks in the run game and is assignment sound.

"porky88" wrote:

Corrected. You make that mistake almost every time, I've noticed. 😉

Rockmolder
Honored Member

13 years ago

#55

No team ever drafts true BPA. Teams vary between reaching for the highest need, and picking BPA from a wider set of needs. Thompson does the latter.

"Zero2Cool" wrote:

I don't think any comment about drafting players could be more wrong.

No team EVER drafts BPA? I'd like to know how the fuck you know this and where you learned this? I will admit, I am 100% jealous that you're involved in all 32 teams and KNOW that no team EVER drafts the TRUE best player available.

Smooches.

"Packers_Finland" wrote:

I think that Raji over Crabtree at that time was a good example.

Ted even hinted as much, I think, but I can't find the article.

Of course, in hindsight, I prefer our pick. Even at that time I prefered that pick.

I do believe that we're one of the teams that comes closest to this, though. Just like the Lions, the Pats etc.

Greg C.
Registered

13 years ago

#56

I don't know the answer to this. I do wonder, has Mel Kiper Jr ever predicted correctly a Ted Thompson first round pick?

"blueleopard" wrote:

Yes, he predicted BB to the Packers this past year.

"Kingkoopa" wrote:

http://slumz.boxden.com/f16/mel-kiper-todd-mcshay-mock-draft-3-0-splitting-differences-1350592/

"Zero2Cool" wrote:

That's weird. Most of the scouting reports I read say Bulaga fell because his arms were short.

Nice catch there, +1. I remember the talk about his arms being shorter than the standard for left tackles. The only possible excuse I can think of for Mel is that he was expecting Bulaga to play right tackle or guard, and maybe his arms exceed the standard for those positions. But that's just a guess. I thought the short arm stuff was silly anyway.

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Greg C.
Registered

13 years ago

#57

Here is my mock draft

Mock Draft

"porky88" wrote:

It's not just that five of Ted's first round picks started in the Super Bowl. It's that three of them (Rodgers, Matthews, and Raji) are elite players, another (Hawk) is very good, and the fifth (Bulaga) was already good as a rookie, with potential to be very good if not elite. And only two of the five were top ten picks. The other three were taken in the 20s.

It's a pet peeve of mine when draft picks are judged by whether or not they are starters. That doesn't mean much. Every team has 22 starters. The question should always be: How good are they? (Not that this was a big problem in the context of porky's article. I just like to mention my pet peeves. I don't have a dog or cat, so I have to have some kind of pet.)

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wpr
Preferred Member Topic Starter

13 years ago

#58

No team ever drafts true BPA. Teams vary between reaching for the highest need, and picking BPA from a wider set of needs. Thompson does the latter.

"Rockmolder" wrote:

"Zero2Cool" wrote:

"Packers_Finland" wrote:

I do stand corrected by everyone who pointed out that Crabtree was still available. I forgot about him. But then it is up to each team's perspective. Is a trouble making holdout really better than a player who will come in and get started in relatively short order? If there is a perceived issue that a player could be a head case and could potentially be disruptive to the whole team year after year would he really be the BPA even if he has talent? My guess is that Ted said no he is not. It was good fortune that he considered Raji the better player and was at a position of need while Crabtree was at a position that was adequately filled.

warhawk
Senior Member

13 years ago

#59

I think Thompson probably stays as true to BPA as possible but there are obviously specific things to consider with just about any draft that might cause him to bank off course a bit.

When the decision was made to switch to the 3-4 it is not a coincidence that Ted Thompson went with Raji and made an almost unprecidented move up to grab Mathews. Now for what they were doing Mathews obviously was the BPA at the time but the Packers happened to need a great player there. Looking back now the cost was nothing for what they got.

I see Thompson putting a pool of positions at center stage and takes the BPA out of what is available in those positions UNLESS there is just not anybody there that is worthy of the pick OR some player is mysteriously still there they have much higher on the list.

What it looks like to me this year is the pool of positions opens up to just about ALL the positions with a position or two maybe leading the way by a slim margin depending on what happens to some of the FA's. It's the reverse of his first year here when we needed players everywhere. Now, he can take just about anybody at any position that looks like they are going to be good football players.

Probably the first year since his first Ted Thompson can just get the list as right as possible and pick whatever names comes up when it's their turn.

"The train is leaving the station."

DakotaT
Select Member

13 years ago

#60

What I like about Uncle Ted is the gems he finds late in the second round like Jennings and Collins which none of us swinging dicks ever heard of. I even said WTF on the Jordy Nelson pick and what a player he is turning out to be. I'm not closing the door on Neal either. And last year when he moved ahead of the Bears for Burnett was really good. Too bad Morgan got hurt.

I view the biggest need for the Packers in this draft, and it is vital, is to find a return man, and I don't care which round that comes in. A little utility player that could play a little 3rd down back or slot receiver. I cringed every time Tramon dropped back for a punt return.

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bboystyle (23-Dec) : yes due to tie breaker

Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I mean, unlikely, yes, but mathematically, 5th is possible by what I'm reading.

Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : If Vikings lose out, Packers win out, Packers get 5th, right?

bboystyle (23-Dec) : Minny isnt going to lose out so 5th seed is out of the equation. We are playing for the 6th or 7th seed which makes no difference

Mucky Tundra (23-Dec) : beast, the ad revenue goes to the broadcast company but they gotta pay to air the game on their channel/network

beast (23-Dec) : If we win tonight the game is still relative in terms of 5th, 6th or 7th seed... win and it's 5th or 6th, lose and it's 6th or 7th

beast (23-Dec) : Mucky, I thought the ad revenue went to the broadcasting companies or the NFL, at least not directly

Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I think the revenue share is moot, isn't it? That's the CBA an Salary Cap handling that.

bboystyle (23-Dec) : i mean game becomes irrelevant if we win tonight. Just a game where we are trying to play spoilers to Vikings chance at the #1 seed

Mucky Tundra (23-Dec) : beast, I would guess ad revenue from more eyes watching tv

Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I would think it would hurt the home team because people would have to cancel last minute maybe? i dunno

beast (23-Dec) : I agree that it's BS for fans planning on going to the game. But how does it bring in more money? I'm guessing indirectly?

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beast (23-Dec) : Barry seemed to get too conservative against new QBs, Hafley doesn't have that issue

Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : However, we seem to struggle vs new QB's

Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : Should be moot point, cuz Packers should win tonight.

packerfanoutwest (23-Dec) : ok I stand corrected

Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : Ok, yes, you are right. I see that now how they get 7th

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beast (23-Dec) : Saying no to the 6th lock.

beast (23-Dec) : No, with the Commanders beating the Eagles, Packers could have a good chance of 6th or 7th unless the win out

Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I think if Packers win, they are locked 6th with chance for 5th.

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