If the discussion were purely rational, it wouldn't matter at all, you're right. But there is an insane amount of fear mongering going on about this conversation, and I figure if we start letting the facts "slip" then it'll be a slippery slope. We've already had someone here imply that a ground zero mosque is a Muslim/terrorist attempt to claim the area as a victory site for their war against freedom/America/Christianity/decency/whatever. Because we all know they love to swim laps and shoot buckets to rub their victories against the West in our faces.

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ok. thanks.

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For the record, nobody can take over America. We got 300 million people and something like 370 million firearms in private ownership. Don't quote me on that number because it's so varied as every source is completely different. (The fact is, nobody knows).

Even with China's 1.3 billion people, they couldn't do it. Nobody wins a large scale guerrilla war nowadays.

What a lot of Americans don't realize is just how divided "Muslim countries" are. There's been plenty of fighting between "Muslim countries."

I'm not saying this to be tolerant of Islam. The fact is, I'm not. I can't stand the way they treat women. But like it or not, we have Freedom of Religion in this country and I don't believe in compromising ANY of the Bill of Rights.

I know it's not a Mosque. But if it were a Mosque, they have every Right to build it. It would just be bad taste.

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I was just messing around with the China thing.

We'd blow the world up before anyone would take us over. :thumbright:

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Hmm....

What you just said reminded me of an old Far Side cartoon where there was a nuclear war and the cockroaches were cheering.

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Here's a little test. See how many you get correct.

HERE'S THE TEST

1. 1968, Bobby Kennedy was shot and killed by:
a. Superman
b. Jay Leno
c. Harry Potter
d. A Muslim male extremist between the ages of 17 and 40

2. In 1972 at the Munich Olympics, athletes were kidnapped and massacred by:
a. Olga Corbett
b. Sitting Bull
c. Arnold Schwarzenegger
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

3. In 1979, the U.S. embassy in Iran was taken over by:
a. Lost Norwegians
b. Elvis
c. A tour bus full of 80-year-old women
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

4. During the 1980s a number of Americans were kidnapped in Lebanon by:
a. John Dillinger
b. The King of Sweden
c. The Boy Scouts
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

5. In 1983 the U.S. Marine barracks in Beirut was blown up by:
a. A pizza delivery boy
b. Pee Wee Herman
c. Geraldo Rivera
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

6. In 1985 the cruise ship Achille Lauro was hijacked and a 70-year-old American passenger was murdered and thrown overboard in his wheelchair by:
a. The Smurfs
b. Davey Jones
c. The Little Mermaid
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

7. In 1985 TWA flight 847 was hijacked at Athens and a U.S. Navy diver trying to rescue passengers was murdered by:
a. Captain Kidd
b. Charles Lindberg
c. Mother Teresa
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

8. In 1988, Pan Am Flight 103 was bombed by:
a. Scooby Doo
b. The Tooth Fairy
c. The Sundance Kid
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

9. In 1993 the World Trade Center was bombed the first time by:
a. Richard Simmons
b. Grandma Moses
c. Michael Jordan
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

10. In 1998 the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were bombed by:
a. Mr. Rogers
b. Hillary Clinton, to distract attention from Wild Bill's women problems
c. The World Wrestling Federation
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

11. On 9/11/01, four airliners were hijacked. Two were used as missiles to take out the World Trade Center. Of the remaining two, one crashed into the U.S. Pentagon and the other was diverted and crashed by the passengers. Thousands of people were killed by:
a. Bugs Bunny, Wiley E. Coyote, Daffy Duck and Elmer Fudd
b. The Supreme Court of Florida
c. Mr Bean
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

12. In 2002 the United States fought a war in Afghanistan against:
a. Enron
b. The Lutheran Church
c. The NFL
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

13. In 2002 reporter Daniel Pearl was kidnapped and murdered by:
a. Bonnie and Clyde
b. Captain Kangaroo
c. Billy Graham
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

14. And now we can add: In 2009, 31 people wounded and 13 American Soldiers murdered on base at Fort Hood by a Major who was known as...
a: You guessed it - A Muslim male extremist between the age of 17 and 40.


So.....how many did you get right?

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The only thing that test proves it that there are Muslim's who kill people.

If you take every murderer or extreme person in the history and look at what religion they practice, you'll find a variety of religious beliefs. Not just one!

We know there are terrorists. We're at war with them. This isn't a secret or breaking news. But we're not at war with Islam. There is a difference and whats going on is people are labeling them together. And this is as wrong as telling a black person to sit in the back of the bus because he or she is black. This isn't the 21st century crusades that we're fighting.

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That's a retarded argument cheesey.

Hundreds of people have been killed in The Troubles in Northern Ireland due to religion. And it's not like both of the sides are of completely different faith. They're both Christians, and they still kill each other, still perform terrorist attacks and still kill innocents.

Yet, not all christians are not terrorists, as you seem to imply in your latest post about muslims. Reality check time.

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As far as the debate about building a mosque near ground zero I dont have a answer too; but comparing the muslim relgion to soccer is a joke be like comparing nazis too ball room dancing.

As far as people being weary of a religion that often sponsors terrorists I can agree with this. And this goes for all relgions ... until its leaders condemn strongly these acts then IMO we will still see things like this occure.

btw Ive talked to a fair amount of your typical muslims here in london and a fair amount think that it was a good idea to blow up those towers in new york. Take that what you will.
my question again is why do they think this and not think that it was wrong?

probably the same reason why many people think that it was right to invade iraq.

This thread has some of the most transparent bigotry that I have ever encountered on the internet, and that's saying quite a bit. Yes, I'm looking at you Cheesey.

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