Wade
  • Wade
  • Veteran Member
14 years ago
(mutter... mutter ... kick the shit out of the garbage can ... mutter ... mutter)
And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.
Romans 12:2 (NKJV)
Pack93z
14 years ago
While I will agree with Wade that we might be a little bit over stepping the "harm" angle of most of these morons... it only takes one of them to make sure we regret the fact that we didn't take a more overcautious approach to protecting those upon the field.

Much like the same criticism that was laid upon our intelligence departments post 9/11.. and the now being ultra alert is proving to be effect.. case in post New York last week.

They didn't use lethal force.. hell one might say after the 30 seconds or so.. the kid was no worse for wear.. however if tackled or subdued forcefully he might have lingering effects for hours or days.. not to mention the risk to those trying to subdue him.

Bottom line.. this kid and all knuckleheads that jump the fence put themselves at risk and risk the safety of others in the process.. I see no issue with ending it as quickly as possible and isolating the risk to those that made the decision in the first place to become an idiot. In other words.. why risk harm to another?

BTW.. being this kid was a minor.. shouldn't his parents be charged as well?


CHICAGO (AP) -- With his eyes on home plate and his back to the seats, Tom Gamboa never saw them coming .

One second the Kansas City coach was standing near first base. The next he was slammed to the ground, a bare-chested father and his teenage son pummeling him.




http://www.gizmag.com/go/7287/ 

The taser: a convenient, effective non-lethal way of incapacitating a person, or a potential killer? Amidst claims of misuse, abuse and taser-related deaths, a new study has been undertaken to document the short and medium term physiological effects this painful and common law enforcement tool can have on subjects. Kudos to those who volunteered to be shocked; those five seconds would have felt like an eternity.

The taser was designed in 1969 as an "electric rifle" capable of reliably incapacitating a person by administering electric shocks that disrupt muscle functions and cause extreme pain. It has gained notoriety in the last ten years as worldwide police departments have made it a key tool for law enforcement. With a range of around 10 metres, the taser is more effective than a baton for subduing difficult subjects, and less lethal and invasive than a bullet.

Still, there has been some controversy regarding the use of the Taser in controlling subjects in police custody, including reports of deaths. In a paper to be presented at the 2007 Society for Academic Emergency Medicine (SAEM) Annual Meeting, preliminary results of Taser exposure on healthy subjects will show that no short-term effects were observed.

Human volunteers from law enforcement agreed to receive a single, 5 second exposure from a Taser X26, a model reported to be used by more than 30% of police agencies in the United States. Cardiovascular and blood parameters were measured before exposure and for 60 minutes afterwards. Systolic and diastolic blood pressures, heart rate, calcium, sodium, potassium, bicarbonate and lactate levels and blood pH were measured in 32 subjects. Systolic blood pressure decreased after the Taser due to a likely heightened anxiety before the test. Other measures changed slightly, but there were no clinically significant or lasting changes in the subjects noted during the one-hour observation period.

According to the author, Gary Vilke, MD, Professor of Clinical Medicine, Director, Clinical Research for Emergency Medicine, University of California, San Diego Medical Center, Evaluating in-custody deaths following use of a Taser is a process that requires looking at the totality of the event. It is like putting a puzzle together. The data from this study help shape another piece of the puzzle by looking at the physiological effects of a single Taser activation in human subjects.

While there is no question that the incorporation of a technology like the Taser into law enforcement leaves open the potential for harmful misuse, this study appears to back up what proponents have claimed all along - that the Taser is extremely effective, and apart from extreme and incapacitating pain at the instant of use, there appear to be few prolonged side-effects.


"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"
djcubez
14 years ago
Since June 2001, more than 351 individuals in the United States have died after being shocked by police Tasers. Most of those individuals were not carrying a weapon. 

Tasing goes way too far in my opinion. It's dangerous because it completely eliminates a person's control over their own body, which is the same reason why it's effective. A person can get tazed standing up and fall onto concrete fracturing a bone. Why can't cops actually be in shape? Tasers really should only be used in a potentially violent situation. I agree that the kid had it coming, he did break the rules but anyone can tell he was just out there for a joy run, so tackle him and stick him in jail for a day or two. Don't tase him.
Pack93z
14 years ago
Noted below.. hundreds of people die yearly from Excited Delirium as well.. post being physically restrained..

Does this mean we don't restrain them either.. because we might trigger this condition?

When the person hops over the fence.. they have made a committed decision to violate the rules and potentially place risk of harm upon another.. at the very least physical harm in subduing the fence hopper.

At that point.. IMO, you take the least risky course of action.. in this case it may be to taser the hopper and isolate the risk of harm to them solely correct?

One could argue that subduing them could terminate their life as well..

My point is simply this.. no matter the course of action you take.. there are risks associated with them.. in most cases of resolving a potentially combative situation is to choose the course with the least risk.. to all parties involved.

Hard to argue that zapping the hopper with a short burst of electricity isn't the cleanest least risky course.. no?

http://people.howstuffworks.com/excited-delirium.htm 

In this theoretical incident, if the medical examiner can rule out the police beating as the cause of death and can find no clear indication of a fatal, biological occurrence, he or she may determine that the official cause is excited delirium. If ever there were a controversial diagnosis, "excited delirium" is it. It's not recognized by the American Medical Association as a medical condition, and you won't find it in the American Psychiatric Association's handbook of mental disorders, but it's the official cause in hundreds of "in-custody deaths" every year. While the majority of these deaths happen in police custody, there are a few each year that occur in residential psychiatric treatment programs, as well.


"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"
djcubez
14 years ago
But imagine if something like this happened .

It's just upsetting that tasers were initially used to take the place of pistols. Instead of being a last resort now they're used all the time.

Houston officers have shocked more than 1400 individuals since 2004. Hundreds of those individuals were not charged with a crime. An audit found that police shootings of suspects had not decreased after the introduction of Tasers in the city -- which had been one of the primary stated goals of using the weapons.



Tasers too often interfere with a basic equation of policing: that force must be proportional to the threat. Because Tasers are often seen as completely safe and non-lethal, they are often used as a weapon of first rather than last resort. They have become less an alternative to deadly force than an alternative to less-intensive policing techniques.

Formo
  • Formo
  • Veteran Member Topic Starter
14 years ago

But imagine if something like this happened .

"djcubez" wrote:



That would suck. But WTF is Darryl Turner doing jumping the fence at a pro game? Especially when he now knows that being tased is a possibility.

Again, get the fluffy bunny launcher.
UserPostedImage
Thanks to TheViking88 for the sig!!
Cheesey
14 years ago
If you do what the cop says, you won't get TAZERED.
Is that hard to comprehend?
I don't get how someone who breaks the law and gets zapped, how people run to the defense of said person.
Would it be better for 2 or 3 cops to tackle the guy? isn't there a chance that the guy would get hurt from that?
If so....BOO-HOO for him.
The people who died because they were tazered....i'd like to see a breakdown of what crimes they had or were committing before I'd throw out that it was bad that the cops used the tazer gun.
Like i said,........don't want to get tazed??? Don't do anything that would cause the cops to use it.
So.....whose fault was it that the kid got zapped???
100% the kid's fault.
UserPostedImage
IronMan
14 years ago

anyone can tell he was just out there for a joy run,

"djcubez" wrote:



Didn't quite work out for him did it? I'm glad they tazed the dumbshit.
Cheesey
14 years ago
Maybe it will deter some other dumbs**t from jumping on a field and disrupting a game.
UserPostedImage
IronMan
14 years ago


I don't get how someone who breaks the law and gets zapped, how people run to the defense of said person.

"Cheesey" wrote:


Its just part of the pussified world be live in. Nothing bad should ever happen to anyone, especially kids.

There are several schools that don't give out failing grades because it makes the kids feel "stupid". Some don't use red ink because it has been determined that red ink is too "stressful." (you can't make this shit up)

Other schools don't allow the game "tag" because it makes the slow fat kids feel bad.

Its always the teachers fault, the cops fault, etc. Everyone gets a trophy, and there are no consequences for your actions.
Fan Shout
wpr (4h) : 7 days
Zero2Cool (16-Apr) : sounds like Packers don't get good compensation, Jaire staying
dfosterf (16-Apr) : Nobody coming up with a keep, but at x amount
dfosterf (16-Apr) : Trade, cut or keep
dfosterf (16-Apr) : that from Jaire
dfosterf (16-Apr) : My guess is the Packers floated the concept of a reworked contract via his agent and agent got a f'
Zero2Cool (16-Apr) : Yes, and that is why I think Rob worded it how he did. Rather than say "agent"
dfosterf (16-Apr) : Same laws apply. Agent must present such an offer to Jaire. Cannot accept or reject without presenting it
Zero2Cool (16-Apr) : I'm thinking that is why Rob worded it how he did.
dfosterf (16-Apr) : The Packers can certainly still make the offer to the agent
dfosterf (16-Apr) : Laws of agency and definition of fiduciary responsibility
dfosterf (16-Apr) : Jaire is open to a reduced contract without Jaire's permission
dfosterf (16-Apr) : The agent would arguably violate the law if he were to tell the Packers
Zero2Cool (16-Apr) : That someone ... likely the agent.
Zero2Cool (16-Apr) : So, Jaire has not been offered nor rejected a pay reduction, but someone says he'd decline.
Zero2Cool (16-Apr) : Demovksy says t was direct communication with someone familiar with Jaire’s line of thinking at that moment.
Zero2Cool (16-Apr) : Demovsky just replied to me a bit ago. Jaire hasn't said it.
dfosterf (16-Apr) : Of course, that depends on the definition of "we"
dfosterf (16-Apr) : We have been told that they haven't because he wouldn't accept it. I submit we don't know that
dfosterf (16-Apr) : What is the downside in making a calculated reduced offer to Jaire?
Zero2Cool (15-Apr) : Packers are receiving interest in Jaire Alexander but a trade is not imminent
Zero2Cool (15-Apr) : Jalen Ramsey wants to be traded. He's never happy is he?
Zero2Cool (15-Apr) : two 1sts in 2022 and two 2nd's in 2023 and 2024
Zero2Cool (15-Apr) : Packers had fortunate last three drafts.
dfosterf (15-Apr) : I may have to move
dfosterf (15-Apr) : My wife just told the ancient Japanese sushi dude not enough rice under his fish
Zero2Cool (14-Apr) : I think a dozen is what I need
dfosterf (14-Apr) : Go fund me for this purpose just might work. A dozen nurses show up at 1265 to provide mental health assistance.
dfosterf (14-Apr) : Maybe send a crew of Angels to the Packers draft room on draft day.
Zero2Cool (14-Apr) : I am the Angel that gets visited.
dfosterf (14-Apr) : Visiting Angels has a pretty good reputation
Zero2Cool (14-Apr) : what
Martha Careful (14-Apr) : WINNING IT, not someone else losing it. The best victory though was re-uniting with his wife
Martha Careful (14-Apr) : The manner in which he won it was just amazing and wonderful. First blowing the lead then getting back, then blowing it. But ultimately
Zero2Cool (12-Apr) : I'm guessing since the thumb was broken, he wasn't feeling it.
dfosterf (10-Apr) : Looking for guidance. Not feeling the thumb.
Mucky Tundra (10-Apr) : If they knew about it or not
Mucky Tundra (10-Apr) : I don't recall that he did which is why I asked.
Zero2Cool (10-Apr) : Guessing they probably knew. Did he have cast or something on?
Mucky Tundra (10-Apr) : Did they know that at the time or was that something the realized afterwards?
Zero2Cool (9-Apr) : Van Ness played most of season with broken thumb
wpr (9-Apr) : yay
Zero2Cool (9-Apr) : Mark Murphy says Steelers likely to protect Packers game. Meaning, no Ireland
Zero2Cool (8-Apr) : Struggling to figure out what text editor options are needed and which are 'nice to have'
Mucky Tundra (8-Apr) : *CHOMP CHOMP CHOMP*
Zero2Cool (2-Apr) : WR who said he'd break Xavier Worthy 40 time...and ran slower than you
Mucky Tundra (2-Apr) : Who?
Zero2Cool (2-Apr) : Texas’ WR Isaiah Bond is scheduled to visit the Bills, Browns, Chiefs, Falcons, Packers and Titans starting next week.
Zero2Cool (2-Apr) : Spotting ball isn't changing, only measuring distance is, Which wasn't the issue.
Zero2Cool (2-Apr) : The spotting of the ball IS the issue. Not the chain gang.
Please sign in to use Fan Shout
2024 Packers Schedule
Friday, Sep 6 @ 7:15 PM
Eagles
Sunday, Sep 15 @ 12:00 PM
COLTS
Sunday, Sep 22 @ 12:00 PM
Titans
Sunday, Sep 29 @ 12:00 PM
VIKINGS
Sunday, Oct 6 @ 3:25 PM
Rams
Sunday, Oct 13 @ 12:00 PM
CARDINALS
Sunday, Oct 20 @ 12:00 PM
TEXANS
Sunday, Oct 27 @ 12:00 PM
Jaguars
Sunday, Nov 3 @ 3:25 PM
LIONS
Sunday, Nov 17 @ 12:00 PM
Bears
Sunday, Nov 24 @ 3:25 PM
49ERS
Thursday, Nov 28 @ 7:20 PM
DOLPHINS
Thursday, Dec 5 @ 7:15 PM
Lions
Sunday, Dec 15 @ 7:20 PM
Seahawks
Monday, Dec 23 @ 7:15 PM
SAINTS
Sunday, Dec 29 @ 3:25 PM
Vikings
Sunday, Jan 5 @ 12:00 PM
BEARS
Sunday, Jan 12 @ 3:30 PM
Eagles
Recent Topics
2h / Random Babble / Zero2Cool

16-Apr / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

15-Apr / Green Bay Packers Talk / dfosterf

13-Apr / Green Bay Packers Talk / Martha Careful

12-Apr / Feedback, Suggestions and Issues / Zero2Cool

11-Apr / Feedback, Suggestions and Issues / Rockmolder

2-Apr / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

2-Apr / Green Bay Packers Talk / bboystyle

1-Apr / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

1-Apr / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

31-Mar / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

30-Mar / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

29-Mar / Random Babble / wpr

28-Mar / Random Babble / Martha Careful

26-Mar / Random Babble / Mucky Tundra

Headlines
Copyright © 2006 - 2025 PackersHome.com™. All Rights Reserved.