dhazer
14 years ago
Well here on the PGH news they are saying that Bens DNA was found on the girl but not enough to prosecute, now isn't that a joke they have went to court with alot less. Also they brought up the point of how the video from the cameras were erased somehow.

I do think he is guilty as do alot around here, Hell even some of the players are saying they hope he gets suspended so maybe he will learn his lesson.
Just Imagine this for the next 6-9 years. What a ride it will be 🙂 (PS, Zero should charge for this)
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Nonstopdrivel
14 years ago
Dude, if a few flakes of dandruff brushed off on the girl -- or he sneezed anywhere within 10 feet of her -- his DNA would be found on her. That doesn't mean he touched her in an improper manner. You need to find DNA in the right manner in order to indicate misconduct.

Even though I think Roethlisberger is an idiot in this affair, I appreciate that the justice system is taking a cautious approach instead of trying to railroad him.
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14 years ago



Even though I think Roethlisberger is an idiot in this affair, I appreciate that the justice system is taking a cautious approach instead of trying to railroad him.

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It is not so much the justice system is it is the desire of the accuser to drop the matter, per family reports she doesn't want to go through the public torment that would come along with this trial. Or she got paid off.. either way.. without her testimony.. what happened in a single stall restroom would be difficult to prove.

By the DA's words.. I think that if the accuser would have stayed on board.. charges would have been brought.
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Nonstopdrivel
14 years ago
Granted, but if there were sufficient forensic evidence against him, she wouldn't have to take the stand and testify against him. There clearly is not. So I'm glad they're showing restraint in this matter.
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14 years ago
If you listen to the press conference.. the DA stated in the rape kit male DNA was found, but not enough of it to provide the identity.. DNA in a rape kit speaks volumes IMO, just the accuser withdrew from the matter.. hard to prove anything without her testimony.

The picture painted by the DA in his statement insinuates that he was guilty of something.. just to beyond a reasonable doubt needed for a conviction.
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Nonstopdrivel
14 years ago
Rape kit doesn't just examine the vaginal orifice. It also takes DNA from other areas of the body. I think it's telling that they didn't say where the DNA was found. I'd guess they found his DNA in her mouth after they'd been making out for a while. (He never denied having physical contact with her, only consummating sexual intercourse.)

By the way, semen is only found in 15% of rape cases.
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14 years ago
My simple point in the matter is.. once the accuser withdrew.. the case had a difficult road to travel.

I would love for you to tell me how many rape trails draw a guilty verdict once the victim withdraws from the case.

I would guess not many.. still doesn't make the rapist any less guilty.
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Nonstopdrivel
14 years ago
That's actually a fascinating question. I know it has happened, in which there was an overwhelming preponderance of evidence and the prosecutors went ahead despite the plaintiffs' refusal to cooperate. I don't know how often it has occurred nor how often it has been successful. That would be interesting to investigate. In this case there just isn't much evidence, probably because nothing all that damning occurred. Is it pretty gross to make out in a college club bathroom with a drunk, underage woman? Yes, but it's hardly immoral, and it's certainly not criminal.
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14 years ago
Did he really have to show up to the press conference disguised as a rapist? Is a haircut too much to ask?

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That's actually a fascinating question. I know it has happened, in which there was an overwhelming preponderance of evidence and the prosecutors went ahead despite the plaintiffs' refusal to cooperate. I don't know how often it has occurred nor how often it has been successful. That would be interesting to investigate. In this case there just isn't much evidence, probably because nothing all that damning occurred. Is it pretty gross to make out in a college club bathroom with a drunk, underage woman? Yes, but it's hardly immoral, and it's certainly not criminal.

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So now add the fact that he supplied the alcohol to the minor, let her get to the point of intoxication and then proceeded with this sexual endeavor.

I think it paints a pretty raunchy picture of Ben.. then top it off with this.

It paints a picture that Ben knew exactly what he was doing... and has "probably" done before.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/04/13/boston-attorney-says-he-investigated-another-roethlisberger-incident/ 

Boston attorney says he investigated another Roethlisberger incident

Posted by Mike Florio on April 13, 2010 11:13 AM ET

So with the possibility of a Georgia prosecution official gone and only a civil lawsuit in Nevada remaining, Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger can exhale and focus only on playing football and not barhopping, right?

Maybe not.

Boston lawyer Harry Manion told WEEI's Dennis & Callahan Show on Tuesday that Manion was involved in an investigation regarding another Big Ben incident.

Said Manion: "[T]here is a history here this is just super troubling."

Manion specifically referred to an incident from 2009, also in Nevada. "Six months ago I was retained by a client of mine and a close friend to investigate allegations against Ben Roethlisberger in a Las Vegas nightclub that were absolutely identical to this Georgia girl's story," Manion said.

Manion believes that, if Roethlisberger ever is going to change his ways, the near miss in Georgia will be the impetus.

"Unless he's totally brain dead -- and we don't know -- he would be scared," Manion said. "Because he has really walked a perilous line here. There's a whole litany here, not only my experience, I have connected with several other people that have experience. And you know, there's only so far that he said/she said will get you. There's only so far that paying hush money will get you, if hush money is paid. And there's only so far that, 'Gee, we're celebrities, we have a target on our back,' will get you. When you see this much smoke, month after month and continuously . . . . It's the scene that he's gotten himself caught up with, and the belief that he can walk, and so far, so good. But it's hurting him. He's hurt. He has been damaged. And the next one, the wrath of God's going to come down on him, if there is a next one."

It's compelling stuff, and we agree with Manion's take. That said, the guy has a set of large brass ones to talk about allegations that never were pursued in criminal or civil court. A certain degree of immunity applies to statement made in conjunction with official legal proceedings. Manion has placed himself at risk for a defamation claim, especially by suggesting that there are incidents beyond the Vegas case that he personally handled.

Then again, the primary injury in a defamation case occurs to the reputation of the plaintiff. Like Pacman Jones threatening to sue ESPN in early 2009 after the network released more information about an alleged Atlanta strip club shooting from 2007, Jones would be able to prove no damage to the manner in which any potential untruths harmed his reputation because his reputation already was horrendous.

Ben faces the same challenge. Suing Manion or anyone else who claims that he has a more extensive history of Milledgeville-style encounters would expose Roethlisberger's entire sexual history and his broader reputation to scrutiny. As Roger Clemens has learned the hard way, nothing good comes from that approach -- especially if hanging in the closet next the devil-face T-shirt is a collection of skeletons.


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