Mucky Tundra
4 months ago
However Bad You Think DeShaun Watson Has Been, He's Actually Been Worse 

There are a lot of ugly (and expensive) reasons the Browns are sticking with Watson, and I think there’s now little doubt that Cleveland’s 2022 trade for him will go down as the worst NFL deal of all time—an abject failure in every sense.

But we’re going to talk about Watson the quarterback. The Browns are 1-5 and dead last in the AFC North after losing to the Philadelphia Eagles on Sunday, 20-16. The Browns didn’t score an offensive touchdown in that game, and it took them about 55 minutes to even get into the red zone. Watson’s stat line wasn’t horrendous because he didn’t throw an interception, but box scores don’t account for how truly awful Watson was on Sunday and has been for the entirety of this season.

The Browns are averaging 240 yards per game, the lowest of any team in the NFL by 13 yards. They’ve scored 80 points on offense in six games, which ranks second lowest—ahead of only the putrid Miami Dolphins (who have played one fewer game and have started three different quarterbacks). Let’s not forget that we saw Joe Flacco throw for 250-plus yards in each of his six starts for the Browns last season while Watson was injured. Flacco threw multiple touchdowns in five games for Cleveland. Watson hasn’t thrown for more than 250 yards in a game since Week 3 of last season, and he’s thrown for multiple touchdowns just once in 2024. OK, I’m getting carried away with the honorable mention bad stats.

It’s not just that Watson has been bad. It’s that he’s been one of the worst starting quarterbacks we’ve ever seen.

Let’s get to the list of 12 worst stats that describe Watson’s historically horrendous start to this season:



I never thought I'd see a trade match the Hershcel Walker trade in lopsidedness simply because teams have wised up about draft capital and getting taken for a ride. Though in terms of bad trades, the Walker and Watson trades feel like ying-yang relationship. While the Vikes ultimately paid a ton of picks for Walker (part of the stupidity/genius of that trade is the Vikes assumed the Cowboys wouldn't want the conditional picks which is exactly what Johnson wanted), the Cowboys still needed to hit on those picks to make it work. For a comparison, look at the RGIII trade; the Rams secured a number of picks and did nothing with them. In contrast the Watson trade just feels like the Browns are constantly shooting themselves in the foot with a double barrel shotgun with pushing Mayfield out, the draft picks, bad PR from Watsons off the field problems, Watsons suspension etc. It's the train crash that keeps on crashing. The Texans using the picks received to good effect feels like an afterthought.
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beast (16h) : Seems like he was just pissed because he was no longer the starter
beast (16h) : Campbell is right, he's rich and he doesn't have to explain sh!t... but that attitude gives teams reasons to never sign him again.
dfosterf (22-Feb) : I have some doubt about all that
dfosterf (22-Feb) : I read De'Vondre Campbell's tweet this morning (via the New York Post) Florio says that if he invested his earnings wisely, he will be good
beast (20-Feb) : I haven't followed, but I believe he's good when healthy, just hasn't been able to stay healthy.
dfosterf (20-Feb) : Hasn"t Bosa missed more games than he has played in the last 3 years?
Mucky Tundra (19-Feb) : He hasn't been too bad when healthy but I don't feel like I ever heard much about when he is
Zero2Cool (19-Feb) : Felt like he was more interested in his body, than football. He flashed more than I expected
Zero2Cool (19-Feb) : When he was coming out, I thought he'd be flash in pan.
Mucky Tundra (19-Feb) : Joey seems so forgettable compared to his brother for some reason
Zero2Cool (19-Feb) : NFL informed teams today that the 2025 salary cap will be roughly $277.5M-$281.5M
Zero2Cool (19-Feb) : Los Angeles Chargers are likely to release DE Joey Bosa this off-season as a cap casualty, per league source.
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Mucky Tundra (18-Feb) : usually spambots are trying to get traffic to shady websites filled with spyware; the two links being spammed were to the Packers website
Mucky Tundra (18-Feb) : you know when you put it that way combined with the links it was spamming (to the official Packers website)
Zero2Cool (18-Feb) : Yep. You can do that with holding down ENTER on a command in Console of browser
Mucky Tundra (18-Feb) : even with the rapid fire posts?
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Mucky Tundra (18-Feb) : I've got to go to work soon which is a pity because I'm enthralled by this battle between the bot and Zero
Zero2Cool (18-Feb) : Yeah, I see what that did. Kind of funny.
Mucky Tundra (18-Feb) : now it's a link to Wes Hodkiezwicz mailbag
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Mucky Tundra (18-Feb) : what's 118 (besides a number)?
Zero2Cool (18-Feb) : They got 118 slapped in there.
Mucky Tundra (18-Feb) : that's why it confused the hell out of me
Zero2Cool (18-Feb) : Yeah, but this is taking a headline and slapping it into the Packers Talk
Mucky Tundra (18-Feb) : Wasnt there a time guests could post in the help forum?
Zero2Cool (18-Feb) : lol good question, kind of impressed!
Mucky Tundra (18-Feb) : So how is a guest posting?
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Mucky Tundra (18-Feb) : Lots of fun; the spam goes back 4 or 5 pages by this point
Mucky Tundra (18-Feb) : I thought you'd look for yourself and put 2 and 2 together lol. I overestimated ya ;)
Mucky Tundra (18-Feb) : I thought Guests couldnt post?
Zero2Cool (18-Feb) : And gosh that's gonna be fun to clean up! hahaa
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Mucky Tundra (18-Feb) : check the main forum, seems a spam bot is running amok
Zero2Cool (18-Feb) : What?
Mucky Tundra (18-Feb) : Is the Packers online game "Packers Predict" now available for 2024? I can't tell
Zero2Cool (17-Feb) : Bengals planning to Franchise Tag Tamaurice Higgins
Zero2Cool (14-Feb) : Packers are hiring Luke Getsy as senior offensive assistant.
Martha Careful (12-Feb) : I would love to have them both, esp. Crosby, but either might be too expensive.
Zero2Cool (12-Feb) : Keisean Nixon is trying to get Maxx Crosby and Davante Adams lol
Mucky Tundra (11-Feb) : Yeah where did it go?
packerfanoutwest (11-Feb) : or did you resctrict access to that topic?
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