I don't understand why men are somehow more responsible for the consequences of sex than women are.

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:

My problem with chastity and abstinence is that educators attempt to get away with it as the only sex education you need. A lot of kids are just taught "not to do it" and are not given any formal education on STD's or contraception. So when one of these "retarded teenagers" actually decides to engage in sexual activity they are putting themselves in a more dangerous position than a person who has been taught about it. I have nothing against people who choose abstinence but everyone should be taught how to engage in safe sexual activity, regardless of whether or not they foresee themselves doing so.

The whole Palin situation? I get irked a bit by the man thing to. I don't have many facts on the case but say Levi wanted Bristol to get an abortion or give it up for adoption. Bristol obviously wouldn't go through with it and after giving birth requests child support from Levi. Why should he have to pay for a child he didn't want? I feel like the man is cornered here because of the woman's decision. It was mutual for them to have sex and for one reason or another she got pregnant. It was not mutual for them to have a child but because she wants it he has to pay for it. Imagine the reverse--that Levi wants the child but Bristol doesn't. Bristol can go through with the abortion or adoption because it's her body. Basically, if you as a male impregnate a women during mutual intercourse it's almost completely up to her as to what to do about it and you have to face the consequences regardless.

Now in the case of Bristol and Levi, in my opinion both the kids are pretty naive so I really don't care what happens lol.

"djcubez" wrote:

"Cheesey" wrote:

My problem with chastity and abstinence is that educators attempt to get away with it as the only sex education you need. A lot of kids are just taught "not to do it" and are not given any formal education on STD's or contraception. So when one of these "retarded teenagers" actually decides to engage in sexual activity they are putting themselves in a more dangerous position than a person who has been taught about it. I have nothing against people who choose abstinence but everyone should be taught how to engage in safe sexual activity, regardless of whether or not they foresee themselves doing so.

The whole Palin situation? I get irked a bit by the man thing to. I don't have many facts on the case but say Levi wanted Bristol to get an abortion or give it up for adoption. Bristol obviously wouldn't go through with it and after giving birth requests child support from Levi. Why should he have to pay for a child he didn't want? I feel like the man is cornered here because of the woman's decision. It was mutual for them to have sex and for one reason or another she got pregnant. It was not mutual for them to have a child but because she wants it he has to pay for it. Imagine the reverse--that Levi wants the child but Bristol doesn't. Bristol can go through with the abortion or adoption because it's her body. Basically, if you as a male impregnate a women during mutual intercourse it's almost completely up to her as to what to do about it and you have to face the consequences regardless.

Now in the case of Bristol and Levi, in my opinion both the kids are pretty naive so I really don't care what happens lol.

"djcubez" wrote:

Good stuff, DJ. You know what you call kids who are ONLY taught abstinence? Parents. Study after study has shown this.

"zombieslayer" wrote:

But you ignore his most important premise: had he wanted the baby against her wishes, he would have been powerless. That's the crux of my argument, too, as I've stated in other threads. If a woman has a baby a man doesn't want, he's a slimeball for objecting to supporting it. If he wants a baby the woman doesn't want, he's a Neanderthal who doesn't respect the woman's right to choose. Ultimately, under modern sex laws, the man is at the mercy of the woman. Even worse, if at any point in the entire process, she decides she has been slighted or hasn't gotten her way, she can lob the nuclear option by screaming the "r" word, and his life as he once knew it is over forever.

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:

You, as the male, put your dick in her pussy, and ejaculated. Therefore, face the damn consequences. Again, you don't want the baby? Put a kink on your member.

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