14 years ago

The biggest problem right now is that the Packers have a GM that is trying to squeeze the buffalo shit out of a nickel and couldn't sell blood to a mosquito.

"yooperfan" wrote:



I agree that Thompson is no salesman, but I hate salesmen, personally, so I can't really hold that against him. As far as the cheap part, was he cheap with Woodson? Rodgers? Grant? Pickett? Jennings? Jenkins? Chillar? Poopy? Re-upping Harris and Driver? I don't think he's been cheap at all. Cautious in free agency, yes, but not really cheap.
Stevetarded
14 years ago

The biggest problem right now is that the Packers have a GM that is trying to squeeze the buffalo shit out of a nickel and couldn't sell blood to a mosquito.

"get_louder_at_lambeau" wrote:



I agree that Thompson is no salesman, but I hate salesmen, personally, so I can't really hold that against him. As far as the cheap part, was he cheap with Woodson? Rodgers? Grant? Pickett? Jennings? Jenkins? Chillar? Poopy? Re-upping Harris and Driver? I don't think he's been cheap at all. Cautious in free agency, yes, but not really cheap.

"yooperfan" wrote:



The same people who say he is cheap are the ones who were saying Rodgers got his big contract too soon and Jennings didn't need to get signed this year or for that much.
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Pack93z
14 years ago

The biggest problem right now is that the Packers have a GM that is trying to squeeze the buffalo shit out of a nickel and couldn't sell blood to a mosquito.

"Stevetarded" wrote:



I agree that Thompson is no salesman, but I hate salesmen, personally, so I can't really hold that against him. As far as the cheap part, was he cheap with Woodson? Rodgers? Grant? Pickett? Jennings? Jenkins? Chillar? Poopy? Re-upping Harris and Driver? I don't think he's been cheap at all. Cautious in free agency, yes, but not really cheap.

"get_louder_at_lambeau" wrote:



The same people who say he is cheap are the ones who were saying Rodgers got his big contract too soon and Jennings didn't need to get signed this year or for that much.

"yooperfan" wrote:



Is he cheap? I don't think so, but he has negotiated some pretty market friendly contract for the Packers. Frugal comes to mind.

Looking at the contracts he has inked for the Packers two things come to mind, frugal being one and plodding being the other.

Most of the deals that we have done with our own players, most of the time there isn't a pressing deadline to get them done on. So he can take the time to negotiate the deal to a win win for the most part.

Woodson? - The biggest catch to date in the open market was one in which Woodson had limited options.. without looking it up I believe the only other options out there within the money range the Packers were willing to pay was the Bucs and they wanted him to move to Safety.

There was ample time to get a deal done.


Rodgers? - They had another year to go yet, but they signed him to a large deal a little ahead of the curve, basically buying out his restricted years at a discount and being proactive. Rodgers probably got the same amount in total contract value.. it just was spread out better. again.. no rush to get it done, unless you want to count the NFL cap date.

Grant? - Incentive laden deal that took the better part of training camp to get done. Granted it was a little pressure packed offseason that year.. but still was a long ordeal.

Pickett? - This is the only deal where we inked it early and probably won out over competition for his services.. I think Pickett's personality had a good share to do with that.

Jennings? Another case of being able to take the time to negotiate a contract the worked out for both parties involved.

Jenkins? - This was and still is a no brainer.. beyond Kampman our best lineman overall. Again got a market friendly deal if memory serves correct.

I think when the FA market hits, we are a bit to slow to react to the market and lose out a little because of that.

IMO, Ted is a thinker and a plodder that is a little slow to the flux of the free agent game.. is that a bad thing? Probably not, because it saves us from impulse buying in the frenzy, but it also probably feeds some of this reluctance to come to Green Bay at the moment. When the market is hot and the bidding is in full swing, I think our plodding costs us a little.

Other cases of this.. I think were Moss and Gonzo.. albeit I am kind of glad we lost the Moss deal.
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14 years ago

I think when the FA market hits, we are a bit to slow to react to the market and lose out a little because of that.

IMO, Ted is a thinker and a plodder that is a little slow to the flux of the free agent game.. is that a bad thing? Probably not, because it saves us from impulse buying in the frenzy, but it also probably feeds some of this reluctance to come to Green Bay at the moment. When the market is hot and the bidding is in full swing, I think our plodding costs us a little.

Other cases of this.. I think were Moss and Gonzo.. albeit I am kind of glad we lost the Moss deal.

"pack93z" wrote:



I agree with you on this, but I'm not too butt-hurt that we don't go balls out in FA. Many GMs who treat the start of FA like someone trying to break down the doors of Best Buy on Black Friday get burned pretty bad, and that hasn't happened to us at all. That stuff can really hurt a team, just like hitting on someone like Woodson can help.
yooperfan
14 years ago
A Gm has to have the ability to roll out the red carpet, wine and dine the prospective employee and sell his team. Ted doesn't seem to have the ability or the willingness to do that.

Sitting on 10's of millions of dollars in cap space every year also sends a message to prospective employees.

Money is the equalizer in proffesional sports and if players, who are essentially businessmen, see that this team or that is pinching pennies then their minds are made up before the bidding begins.

The "storied franchise" pitch delivered by some 2nd level manager will not draw much interest.

93Z pitched another good point, Ted fiddles while rome burns.

The "outrageous" signing of Reggie White drew huge dividends for the Packers, I don't know if that could happen again, but you never know if you don't try.
coltonja
14 years ago
I just remember(and I was very young) that Reggie said something lie: I'm going to Green Bay? What did I do to deserve that? I thought that was the place players went to be punished because Green Bay is so cold(as in weather).

If I can find that interview I'll post a link it was a LONG time ago and Reggie was just joking around....I think
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Cheesey
14 years ago
TT is sitting on money.......but if the salary cap gets lifted, we will all be happy he didn't piss it all away now. No salary cap, no way we can compete.
We could survive for a year or two without it, if we had a GM that played it somewhat safe now. You know.....like we DO have.
Then hopefully within a couple years, the NFL would wake up and reinstate the salary cap.
Thats my line of thinking, anyway.
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zombieslayer
14 years ago

Ted Thompson is sitting on money.......but if the salary cap gets lifted, we will all be happy he didn't piss it all away now. No salary cap, no way we can compete.
We could survive for a year or two without it, if we had a GM that played it somewhat safe now. You know.....like we DO have.
Then hopefully within a couple years, the NFL would wake up and reinstate the salary cap.
Thats my line of thinking, anyway.

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Zero2Cool
14 years ago
I'm not too worried about the no salary cap.


The four teams that make the league championship games can't sign an unrestricted free agent unless and until they lose one of equal or more value;

The four teams that lost in the divisional round can sign one high-priced unrestricted free agent (price undetermined yet) without having to lose one of their own. Once that maximum exception is burned, they are restricted like the top four teams in terms of big-ticket free agents. And they can also sign as many mid-level free agents as they want (price undetermined).

Starting on the first day of the first NFL training camp, any team - even those in the final eight - can sign an unrestricted free agent, provided his former club didn't tender him by June 1. This likely will be crucial for injured Packers linebacker Aaron Kampman. If he doesn't sign in the normal free-agency period and the Packers don't tender him by June 1, he'll be free to sign with any team once training camps start. If the Packers tender him in May, Kampman will only be able to negotiate with the Packers once camps start.

The minimum service time needed to become an unrestricted free agent goes from four to six years. This hits a player like Packers safety Nick Collins, who is finishing his fifth season, hard. Normally he would be an unrestricted free agent after this season. Teams have one additional tag in order to retain players that are due to be free agents. Before '10, teams could use either a franchise (two first-round picks as compensation) or transition tag (right to match). In '10, teams can use one of each. Teams that finish in the final eight can sign those players, just like other teams.

And, finally, while there will be no salary cap, there won't be a salary floor, either. And it is believed that the veteran's minimum salaries will go way down.


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14 years ago



That's a HUGE sampling of the population compared to 99.9% of most polls. I think the jury has spoken.

"zombieslayer" wrote:



296 out of 1700 is a huge sampling? Really?

:facepalm:

"Zero2Cool" wrote:



Actually, it is.

Have you ever seen polls conducted by Sociologists? Or election polls? The sampling sizes are considerably smaller.

"oskarliminga" wrote:



In my field (economic history) a sample size of 25-30 is often big enough. Its the absolute size of the sample that matters, not the size relative to the population.

And ensuring that the sample is random. This is why 296 out of 1700 is potentially "too big", if you aren't careful. Presumably this is sampling without replacement (no one gets selected more than once). 296 is close to 20 percent of the total -- definitely you need to adjust for "large sample bias" (or whatever the fancy term is).

Frankly, if I was trying to study a population of 1700 I'd probably shoot for a sample of between 50 and 100.
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