Packers_Finland
15 years ago
Yeah, I do agree too that we should stick with the 4-3, but Nolan could still bring plenty of new looks and packages to that.
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Pack93z
15 years ago
I think everyone is jumping the gun that adding Nolan automatically makes the statement that we will be running a 3-4... my guess as Porky stated that it will be a varied look, but I hardly expect the stamp to be placed that we will become a 3-4 base defense starting next fall.

We have the cap space to add a couple of keys.. but there are inherited problems with personnel we have.. some think Kampy can just move to OLB.. could he rush from there, probably, could he adjust and be able to drop into coverage effectively.. probably not.. like it or not, he would be an undersized end in a 3-4 and be a liability in the run defense in that scheme.. so you are taking the best front 7 player you have and putting him in a difficult position to succeed.. not to mention handcuff the flexibility that the 3-4 brings in putting a guy at OLB that won't be able to drop into coverage..

That is just one scenario.. think each and every position throughout the defense.. to accomplish that effectively in one offseason and expect a top notch defense in 09.. that is a stretch.. so if Mike McCarthy is feeling the heat.. hiring someone that is going to completely change the structure of the defense is very risky.

My point in the end.. don't completely assume that one component is married to the other.. in other words.. that a particular DC will run a particular set defense.. if that is the case, I will be disappointed in the hire..

Why.. I want a DC that will put a defense into place that takes full advantage of the best talent we have and max that potential.. not one that like Sanders was married to one scheme.. one train of thought only with little variation.
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15 years ago
I have an equally hard time imagining our roster playing a 3-4 as I do imagining a 3-4 trained coach running a 4-3 defense. Nolan knows the intricacies of the 3-4 far better than a 4-3 base D. He'd practically be learning all of the little quirks/twists on the job.
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Pack93z
15 years ago
For all those excited by the Nolan "rumors"... here is a little story.. sound familiar?

Enjoy..

http://www.mercurynews.com/49ersheadlines/ci_10674217?nclick_check=1 


The most famous Mike Nolan story, before he became coach of the 49ers, was about vanilla ice cream.

Washington Redskins owner Dan Snyder, the story goes, placed a carton of vanilla ice cream in Nolan's office, where it was allowed to melt into a sticky mess. The mean-spirited prank underscored the owner's criticism of his defensive coordinator's read-and-react philosophy, which Snyder had termed "vanilla."

That story was considered just another in the Snyder-as-meddling-owner file. But it's worth remembering now. Because Nolan's philosophy and his defense's inability to make the big stop and get off the field all of that is bringing back the images of vanilla ice cream.

When Nolan has been asked this week what's wrong with the defense, he has turned the issue back on his players, using words such as "errors" and "mistakes."

"In the last two weeks, we've made several errors on our own account and have hurt ourselves," Nolan said. "Some have been technique, some have been mental."

None, though, apparently have been scheme or coaching. In another comment Monday, Nolan said it didn't matter how well something was drawn up on the chalkboard, it comes down to execution.

But questions about Nolan's philosophy have followed him for years, through his stints in the NFC East, first in New York and then in Washington. A decade ago, Redskins players grew frustrated under Nolan's direction. After being singled out by Snyder, Nolan vowed to become more aggressive, and defensive players wore shirts that read "Relentless. Attack. Physical." But after the 1999 season, when his defense finished at the bottom of the league, Nolan was fired, and the complaints about his passive system went public.

We're starting to hear some of the same grumblings about read-and-react around the 49ers. Though the 49ers did blitz about a third of the time against New England, they often were burned badly by Matt Cassel when they did. And some of the key gains for the Patriots such as the play that put them in range for the clinching field goal came when the 49ers were less aggressive.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't?

The defensive letdowns are problematic for Nolan. Although he has a defensive coordinator in Greg Manusky, it's clear that this defense is Nolan's baby. Nolan has completely turned the offense over to Mike Martz and while that unit has its problems, it has been more entertaining than in recent years. Nolan's defense is the bigger problem and that reflects poorly on a coach already under fire.

Wednesday, a couple of the 49ers who used to play in Philadelphia safety Michael Lewis and linebacker Takeo Spikes talked about playing under aggressive Eagles defensive coordinator Jim Johnson.

"That's his mentality," Spikes said. "It was a fun scheme, a scheme that I liked. You're in the attack mode all the time."

Lewis also loved the system that turns players loose, saying, "It's very aggressive. You never know where it's coming from. He's not afraid to put nine guys in the box."

When asked if the 49ers need to be more aggressive, Spikes said he thought they had a good mixture of approaches.

"It's all about what you're accustomed to running," he said. "These are two totally different mindsets. At the same time, it's personnel and what you draft people to come in and do."

Spikes was asked if he thought the 49ers' defense had an identity.

"I think we have an ID, but it's not consistent," he said.

And what is it?

"Make plays. Force turnovers."

The 49ers tied for 21st in defense and ranked 23rd against the run are tied with several other teams for seventh in the league in forcing turnovers. But right now the 49ers aren't making plays.

Whatever their identity is, it's very non-threatening. After five games, some might even call it vanilla.


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zombieslayer
15 years ago

I think he would do a good job as our DC, also with how poorly he did as a HC I think we could get him at a discount.

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...and some guys are just simply better coordinators than they are head coaches. Just hope it works out.

"CubanPenguin" wrote:



Yeah, like a certain L.S. immediately comes to mind. Horribly stupid as HC but was a pretty dang good DC.
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all_about_da_packers
15 years ago

Whatever their identity is, it's very non-threatening. After five games, some might even call it vanilla.

"pack93z" wrote:



There is a rumour that while Nolan was DC of the Redskins, Dan Snyder became so infuriated with his defense's play that he left a cup of Vanilla ice cream on Nolan's desk as a way of telling him what he thought about his scheme.

:-?
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15 years ago

Whatever their identity is, it's very non-threatening. After five games, some might even call it vanilla.

"all_about_da_packers" wrote:



There is a rumour that while Nolan was DC of the Redskins, Dan Snyder became so infuriated with his defense's play that he left a cup of Vanilla ice cream on Nolan's desk as a way of telling him what he thought about his scheme.

:-?

"pack93z" wrote:



Well clearly Nolan was just a scapegoat for Snyder's failings.
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Pack93z
15 years ago

Whatever their identity is, it's very non-threatening. After five games, some might even call it vanilla.

"all_about_da_packers" wrote:



There is a rumour that while Nolan was DC of the Redskins, Dan Snyder became so infuriated with his defense's play that he left a cup of Vanilla ice cream on Nolan's desk as a way of telling him what he thought about his scheme.

:-?

"pack93z" wrote:



Yeah... like mentioned in the first two sentences of the article.. :lol:
"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"
all_about_da_packers
15 years ago

Whatever their identity is, it's very non-threatening. After five games, some might even call it vanilla.

"pack93z" wrote:



There is a rumour that while Nolan was DC of the Redskins, Dan Snyder became so infuriated with his defense's play that he left a cup of Vanilla ice cream on Nolan's desk as a way of telling him what he thought about his scheme.

:-?

"all_about_da_packers" wrote:



Yeah... like mentioned in the first two sentences of the article.. :lol:

"pack93z" wrote:




LOL, I really should've read the first line, let alone entire article, before posting.


Actually after reading some of the comments players had about the 3-4 (Jenkins said he didn't want to play in it) and what the players said about Moss (great guy + coach who'd bring continuity) I think I'm really starting to get onto the Moss band wagon.
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15 years ago
Ditto.

But who does he take on as his staff?
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