Gute needs to be fired· Page 2

nerdmann
Premier Member

2 years ago

Sick of going for it on 4th down. Thats TWO of these games we lost that we would have won if we had taken the 3 points. Not difficult.

Not sure Aaron wants to win anyway. He looked good throwing the ball today, made it all the way down and then missed the throwing lane so bad he clanked it off a dude's helmet? Really?

Look like old school Aaron, until it's time to score. I'm not buying that. Thete's no way we lost this game legitimately. Way too many opportunities. We had to go out of our way to lose this.

Front office is tanking on Aaron, Aaron is tanking on the team. We need someone with balls like Ted Thompson.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann

Wouldn't it be something if Murphy stepped up and provided leadership?

“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”

Martha Careful
Member

2 years ago

#12

lets see:
[list]

bad drafting

bad/wrong veteran signings[*]no salary cap space[*]bad play calling in both sides if the ball (where were the clever run schemes we saw v Buffalo?)[*]terrible execution by our best player over last decade[/list]= 3-6 with a sketchy future

Other than that the organization is solid and future is bright

Go Packers!!!!

Zero2Cool
Elite Member

2 years ago

#13

lets see:
[list]

bad drafting

bad/wrong veteran signings

no salary cap space

bad play calling in both sides if the ball (where were the clever run schemes we saw v Buffalo?)

terrible execution by our best player over last decade[/list]= 3-6 with a sketchy future

Other than that the organization is solid and future is bright

Originally Posted by: Martha Careful

It's impressive how people think in such shallow boxes. A five game losing streak and we all lose our collective minds, lol. It's incredible. Absolutely, incredible.
We bemoan no free agent signings. Then we stand on our pedestal and say NO THAT WAS WRONG SIGNING!
We decry the lack of going all in. Then the lack of salary cap space is used against the GM.

If you're gonna say the Packers are bad at drafting, just wear a sign that says you have no idea how the other 31 GM's have done.

Brian Gutekunst is not the problem with the Green Bay Packers. If you define some metrics, Brian will probably land somewhere between 4th and 8th. And as for others who like to just blindly and ignorantly point the finger to whomever is at the "top", it's not Mark Murphy either.

Ponder this for a moment. We all saw the decline in Aaron Rodgers and we can understand (at the time) why they drafted Jordan Love. Rodgers was at that age and showing those signs of decline. However, Matt LaFleur offense essentially resurrected Rodgers career and propelled him into back-to-back NFL MVP's. Yeah, I'm sure having the heir apparent also played a huge motivating role for Rodgers -- try to remember that when bashing the Love pick.

I wonder if Rodgers and LaFleur bonded so much that Rodgers has essentially ruined the LaFleur offense. 🤷‍♂️

How can this happen?

When Rodgers talked retirement, the Packers went into full recruitment mode. We love you. We need you. I mean, one hell of an indictment of Love's progress if you ask me. Then you offer him something like $150 million over three years, well, you're basically saying Rodgers -- you the captain now.

TL;DR → I think LaFleur extended Rodgers career, and I think Rodgers in 2022 ruined LaFleur as a coach, as a leader and as a player caller. Only way I see this ship getting righted is if Rodgers relents and shows a level of humility we have never seen from him.

go.pack.go.
Veteran Member

2 years ago

#14

It's impressive how people think in such shallow boxes. A five game losing streak and we all lose our collective minds, lol. It's incredible. Absolutely, incredible.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool

It’s not just a 5 game losing streak. It’s a 5 game losing streak in which we should’ve gone 4-1. It’s a 5 game losing streak in which the Packers continue to shit themselves in unbelievable fashion. That’s why there is so much frustration, at least from my perspective.

Zero2Cool
Elite Member

2 years ago

#15

Drafted 3 receivers, yes. A 2nd rounder (who can’t stay healthy), a 4th rounder, and a 7th rounder. To assume any of these guys would come in and be a #1 receiver is ridiculous. To assume Watkins would be a #1 is even more absurd, and they should’ve known Lazard is not a #1. So they knew going into this year that we had no #1.

Yeah they made some calls, but they didn’t offer enough for any of those guys obviously. Just calling isn’t enough.

Originally Posted by: go.pack.go.

The talk of a WR1 is absurd. There is maybe 7-10 WR1s in the NFL. The LaFleur scheme needs motion, bunch formation and a good rushing attack to be successful. The Packers could have three WR2 and dominate offensively.

The Packers offered up to a 1st for DJ Moore, per Ian Rapoport. That's hardly just "calling". They also believed they had a deal with Steelers, but the Bears 2nd was believed to be better than Packers 2nd, so obviously Steelers took Bears deal. Again, hardly just "calling".

I agree with the point that the Packers needed to add an offensive weapon. Absolutely. However, would it really make a difference on the season vs the loss of draft capital in the future? When 2-1 Rodgers said winning that way was not sustainable. He was right then and obviously proved right later. This defense isn't going to magically come together because the offense has another weapon. Special Teams won't play better because we have an offensive weapon added. The play calling MIGHT improve, but let's be real, Rodgers has directly or indirectly taken over the offense. And he's not on target like we're used to seeing.

Yes, I am aware trading for offensive weapon could help future, but the weapon would have to be signed through 2023 already seeing as we're already nearly $2 million over the projected salary cap for 2023.

It sucks, but really this season felt over with that Giants loss. It wasn't THE LOSS so much as it was HOW we lost the game. It just kind of felt like, yeah, this team can't handle getting punched in the face. Then the Jets happened. Commanders happened.

It sucks at mid-season it feels 2022 is all but lost.

beast
Select Member

2 years ago

#16

Originally Posted by: go.pack.go.

Nah Packers deserved to lose more than just one of those games...

The Packers biggest issues right now are (in no real order)...

~ Not being able to get guys healthy and to stay healthy

~ Very questionable or delayed defensive play calling

~ Offensive play callers playing chess with the wrong chess pieces... some of these quick throws are actually considered runs but we don't have the guys to catch and do that... or maybe make Jones a WR until the Ws get up to speed.

~ Lack of chemistry and players executing as one.

~ With the Exception of Adams, the Packers haven't been able to develop WRs since their Super Bowl win, which is the year they lost their great WR coach. And this basically goes for TEs too.

dhazer
Veteran Member

2 years ago

#17

It's funny watching all the spoiled people that are pissed calling for all the names but the true one (yes some aren't calling him out) and that's Rodgers your at the 2 yard line and 1st and goal and you run RPO's and the Greatest bounces one of a DL helmet that had no chance to be completed. You call a trick play for the other waste of money and Rodgers buddy Bahktari and Rodgers isn't even close to getting it there but no running of the ball? Rodgers came right out and told you what they were going to do against the Giants, We can't keep winning by running the ball ( even though it was working) we need to air it out. Since that comment, we have lost 5 straight. I hate to say it but Rodgers needs to be benched and if Matt doesn't do it, then he should be looked at maybe being terminated as he has proven he lost the locker room and the common denominator is still there #12. He did it to Mccarthy and he is doing it again to Matt. Rodgers needs to pack it up or the team needs to pack his bags for him. Tell him you either retire or we will make you ride the bench while you are under contract, which would kill his Diva Ego.

Just Imagine this for the next 6-9 years. What a ride it will be 🙂 (PS, Zero should charge for this)

Pugger
Member

2 years ago

#18

If there was a team willing to give three firsts for Rodgers during the offseason and Gute decided to extend him instead, he needs to be fired andcwalked out of the building. He probably thought it was the no risk move but that has blown up in his face. Pack could of had the same record right now under Love and I would be okay because the team would have been clearly rebuilding. Instead the team completely sucks and hasnt even started the rebuild. That it is his fault.

This is not a hindsight thing. Look at the posts during the offseason and you will see plenty of us knew it was obvious to take that deal if it was actually offered.

Originally Posted by: dyeah_gb

Were there teams inquiring about Rodgers' availability last spring/summer? I suspect nobody called because it is almost unheard of for a team to trade away the reigning MVP.

Pugger
Member

2 years ago

#19

Because Love wasn't ready, and Aaron was creating drama to extort the team.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann

I don't recall Aaron Rodgers demanding anything publicly while the contract talks went on. He debated about if he wanted to continue to play or retire if memory serves.

dhazer
Veteran Member

2 years ago

#20

I don't recall Aaron Rodgers demanding anything publicly while the contract talks went on. He debated about if he wanted to continue to play or retire if memory serves.

Originally Posted by: Pugger

He was pulling a Favre and seeing how much pull he has on the team.

Just Imagine this for the next 6-9 years. What a ride it will be 🙂 (PS, Zero should charge for this)

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packerfanoutwest (24-Dec) : Inactives tonight for the Pack: Alexander- knee Bullard - ankle Williams - quad Walker -ankle Monk Heath

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packerfanoutwest (24-Dec) : minny could be #1 seed and the Lions #5 seed

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Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I just checked. What tie breaker?

bboystyle (23-Dec) : yes its possible but unlikely. If we do get the 5th, we face the NFCS winner

Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : Ahh, ok.

bboystyle (23-Dec) : yes due to tie breaker

Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I mean, unlikely, yes, but mathematically, 5th is possible by what I'm reading.

Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : If Vikings lose out, Packers win out, Packers get 5th, right?

bboystyle (23-Dec) : Minny isnt going to lose out so 5th seed is out of the equation. We are playing for the 6th or 7th seed which makes no difference

Mucky Tundra (23-Dec) : beast, the ad revenue goes to the broadcast company but they gotta pay to air the game on their channel/network

beast (23-Dec) : If we win tonight the game is still relative in terms of 5th, 6th or 7th seed... win and it's 5th or 6th, lose and it's 6th or 7th

beast (23-Dec) : Mucky, I thought the ad revenue went to the broadcasting companies or the NFL, at least not directly

Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I think the revenue share is moot, isn't it? That's the CBA an Salary Cap handling that.

bboystyle (23-Dec) : i mean game becomes irrelevant if we win tonight. Just a game where we are trying to play spoilers to Vikings chance at the #1 seed

Mucky Tundra (23-Dec) : beast, I would guess ad revenue from more eyes watching tv

Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I would think it would hurt the home team because people would have to cancel last minute maybe? i dunno

beast (23-Dec) : I agree that it's BS for fans planning on going to the game. But how does it bring in more money? I'm guessing indirectly?

packerfanoutwest (23-Dec) : bs on flexing the game....they do it for the $$league$$, not the hometown fans

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Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : LUKE MUSGRAVE PLAYING TONIGHT~!~~~~WOWHOAAOHAOAA yah

Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I wanna kill new QB's ... blitz the crap out of them.

beast (23-Dec) : Barry seemed to get too conservative against new QBs, Hafley doesn't have that issue

Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : However, we seem to struggle vs new QB's

Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : Should be moot point, cuz Packers should win tonight.

packerfanoutwest (23-Dec) : ok I stand corrected

Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : Ok, yes, you are right. I see that now how they get 7th

Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : 5th - Packers win out, Vikings lose out. Maybe?

beast (23-Dec) : Saying no to the 6th lock.

beast (23-Dec) : No, with the Commanders beating the Eagles, Packers could have a good chance of 6th or 7th unless the win out

Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I think if Packers win, they are locked 6th with chance for 5th.

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