How long are the Packers going to hold on to Jordan Love?· Page 3

beast
Select Member

2 years ago

My point is greatness has to overcome adversity in order to be considered great.

Originally Posted by: wpr

He overcame the Redskins... not many stars drafted by them can say that... and you got to admit, they were/are adversity!

People still once in a while (at least in my circles, bring up Andy Reid mispronouncing T.O.s name, when T.O. was new to the team...

Redskins CEO mis-said Kirk Cousins name when he was their #1 QB and trying to sign him to a starting QB contract.

However even the great Aaron frik'n Rodgers has a much higher rating when he's in a clean pocket than when he is under pressure.

Originally Posted by: wpr

Yes everyone is better without pressure, but he was top 2 without pressure... that elite status, which was the point, without pressure, he's elite.

With pressure, he's 17th... and is just average as he mentally falls apart... But simply there are times when he's darn good.

And they finally got what I think will be a very good offensive coach, which is what I was hoping there wouldn't...

dyeah_gb
Member

2 years ago

#22

I know it’s just one game, but I didn’t see much last night that makes me feel like Love has significantly improved like everyone has been saying.

Originally Posted by: go.pack.go.

I just watched the highlights and was mostly pleased with what I saw. It was not perfect. A couple throws were off the mark. The second int was single coverage and the DB played it very well. I appreciate that this game was against the 49ers. Love should have alot to review and learn.

The first principle is that you must not fool yourself, and you are the easiest person to fool - R. Feynman

bboystyle
Member

2 years ago

#23

Except you didn't make a point, you were just a pain in the ass because someone said something nice about a division rival, and then cried like a bitch.

But yes, he's great with no pressure, and he sucks with pressure, with a much more extreme than normal.

Originally Posted by: beast

So me saying he isnt great is crying like a bitch? U seem sensitive that your evaluation of an avg QB is wrong. U reek of female traits. Do u sniff his jock on your off days?

earthquake
Member

2 years ago

#24

So me saying he isnt great is crying like a bitch? U seem sensitive that your evaluation of an avg QB is wrong. U reek of female traits. Do u sniff his jock on your off days?

Originally Posted by: bboystyle

A bitch? Nah, it just means you have poor reading comprehension or are being wilfully obtuse.

Cousin is great when he doesn't mentally fold to pressure...

Originally Posted by: beast

With the bolded qualifier, this statement is objectively correct . Cousins is a top 3 NFL QB when he has a clean pocket to throw. He's also slightly below average (17th best) when he gets pressured, which is a fairly stark contrast, as Beast has already pointed out. This makes him something like an average or slightly above-average QB when considering his overall performance.

In any case, the sexist and homoerotic comments seem a little out of place.

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bboystyle
Member

2 years ago

#25

A bitch? Nah, it just means you have poor reading comprehension or are being wilfully obtuse.

With the bolded qualifier, this statement is objectively correct . Cousins is a top 3 NFL QB when he has a clean pocket to throw. He's also slightly below average (17th best) when he gets pressured, which is a fairly stark contrast, as Beast has already pointed out. This makes him something like an average or slightly above-average QB when considering his overall performance.

In any case, the sexist and homoerotic comments seem a little out of place.

Originally Posted by: earthquake

Poor Reading comprehension? Far from it. I acknowledge his reasoning for calling Kirk great and respectfully disagreed(as did another poster who wasnt attacked) because being great in an ideal situation doesnt mean crap in the NFL when most QBs can shine without being underpressure.

What seemed out of place is his attack on me by calling me a bitch. He gets what he dishes out *shrugs*.

Cant stand posters like him who resort to little kid shit because someone disagrees with your comment. It really is a female trait

There is nothing great about Kirk no matter what nit picking or hot takes take place. That was my main point. Hes always has and always will be avg at best as an overall QB.

Cheesey
Preferred Member

2 years ago

#26

Wow....it seems some guys here have their underwear on too tight.🤪😁
Really, a difference of opinion should be treated as such, just opinions. Neither right or wrong.
Cousins is good when given time. Most NFL QBs are!
It's when they are under pressure that makes them great or awful. Otherwise I'd call it "average" at best.
Uh oh.....I'm gonna get BLASTED!!!😀🤪

bboystyle
Member

2 years ago

#27

Originally Posted by: Cheesey

How dare u sir! U are a damn biotch! Lol

beast
Select Member

2 years ago

#28

A bitch? Nah, it just means you have poor reading comprehension or are being wilfully obtuse.

Originally Posted by: earthquake

Exactly, just willfully being a little pissant, just arguing to argue, when in reality he agreed with my point...

If only he'd actually care to read and understand the qualifier part of the statement...

And yes, all QBs do better with no pressure, but to swing from top 3 (out of 32) to bottom 16 (out of 32) is a huge freaking swing... might be the biggest swing of any NFL QB, at least of those in the top 10 of either category.

Also, it implies, at least someone has a better ranking with pressure than they do without... Not that they are better, but their ranking is better.

Zero2Cool
Elite Member Topic Starter

2 years ago

#29

So, Jordan Love. I don't know if it's being fortunate with Favre and Rodgers, but Love release seems slow, or maybe not slow, but just not quick. When I see his arm open up, I can look to see where he's throwing it. Favre and Rodgers, it is more like oh ball out -- follow ball.

Martha Careful
Member

2 years ago

#30

I think he has a longer whippier throwing motion, which is to his disadvantage, albeit I think he has a hell of an arm.

We all may recall that Rogers had a much longer throwing motion when he came in from Cal and has, over the years, shortened/quickened it quite a bit.

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