Packers hire OL coach· Page 4

KRK
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6 years ago

I think Bulaga would excel and remain healthier at RG. I think he could be a road grader. I think he is a so so run blocker at RT as there are more reach blocks.

I think his kick step is a bit slower lately. Further, lateral movement seems to be the source of many of his injuries. And he could be a great RT back up.

Also, I know RM meant financial value... and they are worth less than tackles, but not as little as we pay them.

That is my rationale.

In Luce tua Videmus Lucem KRK

gbguy20
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6 years ago

#32

Packers and Falcons were two of the three teams (Steelers were the other) that ran the ball less than 35% of the time... so of course if it's not balanced defense are going to focus on the one that offenses are doing the clear majority of the time...

As for the Saints, I don't think we can say teams don't respect Kamara... he touched the ball 275 times, that's one touch short of doubling the next higher Saints weapon (which was another RB), so in some respects that Saints (Rams and Patriots) offenses is/are built around getting the RB going to opening up the passing game for Michael Thomas and Alvin Kamara.

And less than 15 players in the NFL had 200 carries... less than 10 had 220 carries... again that's more a coaching decision of going with a single featured RB or multiple RBs and injuries. David Johnson, Jordan Howard and Peyton Barber all got over 230 carries and less than 4 yards per carry... I don't think defenses necessary respect them, heck I wasn't even sure what team Barber was on... and I was more concerned about a different Bears RB (Tarik Cohen) when we faced them.

As I believe KRK said, reportedly Taylor was banged up though out the year... but he seems to be an average NFL starting OG (we have just gotten used to above average OGs with Sitton/Lang), but I honestly believe simply running the ball more often and having short pass plays, would help the OL a hell of a lot... all these 3.5+ extending the play forever is putting max pressure on the OL... and the OGs (who are less talented) are at times failing to hold up.

Philosophy has absolutely nothing to do with it.... because scheme around implies you're actually willing to look outside what you want to do... while philosophy implies what you want to do...

When one is actually willing to scheme around (and not locked into a single philosophy, or unwilling to consider anything outside their philosophy), a single weak interior OL is easiest position to scheme around...

I'll never understand why fans some want to move the better pass blocker to OG and the worse pass blocking to OT... it makes absolutely no sense to me.

Originally Posted by: beast

In reference to your last part. Solid guards keep the pocket from collapsing in the middle allowing the QB to step up rather than always having to scramble. The theory is even a shitty tackle can keep a speed rusher too wide, so he ends up running right by the QB behind him. The problem begins when the DL tries something other than a speed rush. Can the shitty tackle handle being bull rushed, or stunted?

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buckeyepackfan
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6 years ago

#33

I too think your statement is a crock of shit. You phrased it as if it is fact, and it is not a fact, it is your cynical (my opinion of your opinion) opinion. You're free to state it, of course, but yeah, to say he hand picked Matt LaFleur? No. Nothing even comes close to supporting that opinion, yet you keep throwing it down our throats as if it's fact.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool

"Wanna get our 12 back to playing at an elite level? Fix that joke of an offensive line. Two crappy guards and a right tackle who can’t stay on the field."

This statement is as much a "Crock of shit" as my statement about Aaron picking his HC!

Does that clear it up?

Btw as everyone dicusses the pros and cons of drafting a OG high, I think you will find because of how the game is different, most pro OG's played OT in College.

Maybe it's just the way The Packers O-linemen were cross trained to play multiple positions?

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gbguy20
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6 years ago

#34

No matter hated our guards when they were white guys.

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beast
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6 years ago

#35

Originally Posted by: KRK

He's a great RT... so of course he could be a great back-up RT... just like Rodgers would be a great back-up QB, because he's a great QB... but unless you have someone better than them, they're much better as the starter.

I guess it's possible two biggest weakness will suddenly and magically become his strengths once you switch his positions... it seems less likely than Janis suddenly being good at WR for years, but I guess you never know... but Bulaga's kick step and pass blocking is still better than than the physical Bobby Massie... if anything Massie should be the RG as he's more physical and less athletic.

Originally Posted by: gbguy20

You nailed the problem on it's head... also the theory wrongly assumes the ball will come out in a short period of time... which the Packers OL has been pass blocking for long period of times with MM's scheme/Rodgers extending the play... and OT keep the pocket from collapsing too.

gbguy20
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6 years ago

#36

Originally Posted by: beast

The theory doesn't assume anything, as far as I'm concerned.

Here is a great video explaining exactly why you find a sudden surge in people pushing for Guards. Explains the concept extremely well.

Here is a video explaining how our Offensive Line operates. Ignore the title of the video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=VKzcfrriEME&app=desktop

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beast
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6 years ago

#37

The theory doesn't assume anything, as far as I'm concerned.

Originally Posted by: gbguy20

Hm, seem you were suggesting there was an assumption problem before... you didn't use the word assumption, but as you explained the theory says speed rush, and the problem is if it isn't a speed rush.

The theory is even a shitty tackle can keep a speed rusher too wide, so he ends up running right by the QB behind him. The problem begins when the DL tries something other than a speed rush. Can the shitty tackle handle being bull rushed, or stunted?

Originally Posted by: gbguy20

As for the video, I've pointed out in the past, it's a misleading Colts hype video that fails to factor in opponents and it's own defense... the Colts dominated when they face weak opponents... it also doesn't factor in, one of those OGs were moved to OT as the head coach thought it was more important to get them solid at OT. The guy is simply promoting himself and what his team is doing at the time... he didn't create a new one explaining why they moved their guys to the left side, taking away from one of the OGs positions as the OTs struggled.

gbguy20
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6 years ago

#38

Remind me to wear a helmet next time.

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sschind
Senior Member

6 years ago

#39

"Aarons hand picked coach" what a crock of shit.

Originally Posted by: gbguy20

Better get used to it. We are going to be hearing it from some fans for a long time

Smokey
Veteran Member

6 years ago

#40

Returning to the topic of this thread, GB's OL Coach will be in charge of having the Offensive Line run block and pass block as a cohesive unit. While strength and stamina remain a prime quality to start on any offensive line in the NFL, good coaching creates a cohesive unit whose foot and hand work form a core unit of an offense.

A well coached offensive line can give an offense a better running attack By opening up running lanes for the RBs, defenses must respect the run. Defenses that respect your run attack allow for better pass protection too. That does not mean that blitzes will go away, but fewer per game should be expected.

IMO, the O-Line coach is one of the most important responsibilities on a coaching staff. Score GB with yet another A+ choice. 👍

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