Barfarn
9 years ago
LOL, stop this nonsense!

It's just one guy taking 1/7th of the cap money and playing at a $550K level. Fix or replace the guy and you'll be fine.

This team is alot better than Dallas without the QBs.

We lost Rodgers for most of 2013 and 2015 and made POs both years. Dallas loses their QB in that division, playing the NFC South and can barely win a freakin' game.

FACT: Our receivers are open no less than they've been in any other year since we had Lofton and co.
The_Green_Ninja
9 years ago

Green_Ninja, I think it is quite improper to say our o-line is injured, and then suggest our team building approach is wrong. Injuries will often make any sound approach look bad if there are enough of them.

I wonder what the breakdown would be of the position players drafted with high picks. I'm willing to guess the majority are accounted for at the QB, D-Line, and O-line positions. I don't think we have glaring holes at any of these positions (yes, when healthy I think our o-line starters are good enough).

Before this season, was there ever a complaint that we didn't have "fast" enough WRs? I don't really remember it. And frankly, in a WCO based system that Mike McCarthy utilizes, you really don't need speed burners.

I don't think this is an issue of bad draft picks or wrong players picked by Ted. You can blame him for no speed at TE, but it has been pretty clear (even going back to Finley and him being asked to put on more weight) that Mike McCarthy prefers thicker TEs. You should still have had a team able to exploit the middle of the field by using Cobb and Montgomery. Both are quicker players, and Montgomery is "bigger" than your average slot WR.

The drafting of players to fit McCarthy's system is fine. Ted's method isn't the problem - he could stand to be more aggressive or dip into the FA pool more, but his method has still gotten us talented enough players.

Originally Posted by: all_about_da_packers 



*face palm*

I never said our team building method is wrong. I said currently there is an issue in the sucess of on of our "department" (GM or coaching). Hypothetically if we are doing it right, young players should develop in 1-2 years. But maybe the issue isn't either of these but just drafting low in general makes this tough. If ted had his way he would probably trade a top 10 picks for a bunch of lower picks which work just as well - more opportunities.

Our top linebacker was drafted 23rd and our good run-stopper was drafted 9th both in the first round. I think we might all agree if 2008 didn't happen 2010 might not have happened either.


UserPostedImage
steveishere
9 years ago
The downfall of this team lies between McCarthy and Rodgers. Whatever it is going on between those two is tanking a team that is still talented enough to win the Superbowl this year.
The_Green_Ninja
9 years ago
Everyone seems to be coming to the same point - which was one of my main points - is that either Ted fails to draft good players or Mike fails to make good players. Or, the alternative that no one likes, that maybe other teams that also have professionals who understand football very well and understand good talent... but happen to have higher draft picks.
UserPostedImage
The_Green_Ninja
9 years ago

LOL, stop this nonsense!

It's just one guy taking 1/7th of the cap money and playing at a $550K level. Fix or replace the guy and you'll be fine.

This team is alot better than Dallas without the QBs.

We lost Rodgers for most of 2013 and 2015 and made POs both years. Dallas loses their QB in that division, playing the NFC South and can barely win a freakin' game.

FACT: Our receivers are open no less than they've been in any other year since we had Lofton and co.

Originally Posted by: Barfarn 



So we are better then Dallas. We are better then a 4-12 team.

FACT: What you say is flase. The tape disagrees with you with past preformances.http://www.packers.com/news-and-events/article-wymm/article-1/What-You-Mightve-Missed-No-one-was-open/963470f7-4ae6-44f2-8b0b-9897b4e3274d?qwr=nomob 
UserPostedImage
blueleopard
9 years ago

Then why is this team on position to probably have no chance of breaking the second round of the playoffs? (Granted I hope Im wrong and we win the Super Bowl lol)

Nobody gets open and McCarthy has been approving and running with stupid gameplans.


Why hasn't Cobb "developed into a #1 WR?

Because he's not. He's a slot receiver / return man who happens to be a solid #2. I'll take Greg Jennings over Randall Cobb any day.

why hasn't Adams broken out yet?

Because he's injured and most receivers breakout in their third or fourth season. Case in point -- Donald Driver, Greg Jennings, Jordy Nelson.

Why do teams with just a decent passing game crush us?

Because Dom Capers' stupid zone scheme has them playing ten yards off the line of scrimmage literally every time. If we're going against an Elite QB, we're screwed.

Are they secrect top 5 draft picks that just havent shown yet and have an odell beckham jr hidden on our team?

I don't know what the hell you're talking about. Beckham was drafted 12th overall.

Originally Posted by: The_Green_Ninja 




Danreb Victorio A Believer of Greg Jennings
nerdmann
9 years ago

*looks at New England*

Yeah, you're done.

Originally Posted by: blueleopard 



This type of protestant guilt trip is bullshit man.

Just because you experience something good, doesn't mean that you have to or should be forced to suffer or experience something negative. Get over it man.

There's no providence here. Our QB has sold us out, and our HC doesn't have the balls to stand up to him.
“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”
blueleopard
9 years ago

This type of protestant guilt trip is bullshit man.

Just because you experience something good, doesn't mean that you have to or should be forced to suffer or experience something negative. Get over it man.

There's no providence here. Our QB has sold us out, and our HC doesn't have the balls to stand up to him.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



Oh please your conspiracy theories are even worse. If Rodgers is hanging McCarthy out to dry, then he should shut it with the humble act and call him out publicly.

If the garbage you're saying is even half true, then both Rodgers and McCarthy would stop giving the media the typical Green Bay Kool-Aid and leave it all out for everybody to see.
Danreb Victorio A Believer of Greg Jennings
Barfarn
9 years ago

So we are better then Dallas. We are better then a 4-12 team.

FACT: What you say is flase. The tape disagrees with you with past preformances.http://www.packers.com/news-and-events/article-wymm/article-1/What-You-Mightve-Missed-No-one-was-open/963470f7-4ae6-44f2-8b0b-9897b4e3274d?qwr=nomob 

Originally Posted by: The_Green_Ninja 



I said GB's 53 guys less Aaron Rodgers are better than Dallas' 53 minus Romo. Dallas with Witten, Bryant, the greatest OL in history and a great D on paper. Please dont dishonestly restate things.

And thank you for posting that link because it is my Exhibit A! Spoffard's first play shows Cobb has 1.5 steps in the middle, w/ no LBs in front and a wide open throwing lane BEFORE Aaron Rodgers is pressured. That's open even for mark Sanchez; can you not see that? The second play there are 3 receivers open; can you not see that either? Dont just take what these dorfwads say; you gotta think for yourself.

What is open to you? A guy running around with no one within 10 yards? Go back and look at any game from last year: receivers on the sideline, w/ CB on inside shoulder and ball goes low and outside for completion; R.Rodgers, Q or Cobb in the middle with a guy on their hip and ball goes low to opposite hip for completion. 40% of Rodgers' passes were completed to guys that were more covered using Spoffard's example of being covered. Oh and by the way, that's why he got and deserved $20M per.

Today on the last play and last play of Carolina game; guys WIIIIIIIIIIIIIDE open and Aaron Rodgers couldn't find one in Carolina and look like he took a dive on the INT v. Minnesota. Sayin' the receivers are not open makes you look a little silly.
Cheesey
9 years ago
Seriously, look at how many "can't miss" first rounders end up on the junk heap? ANSWER: A lot of them! Just because you have a high draft pick doesn't mean the guy will be a stud.
It's a crap shoot.
No player is a guarenteed pro bowler.
I wonder how many teams that passed on Aaron Rodgers in the 2005 draft are kicking themselves now?
UserPostedImage
Fan Shout
Martha Careful (7-Feb) : Congratulations Sterling Sharpe
Mucky Tundra (7-Feb) : beast, you didn't miss much with that one. Raiders didn't update their play calls, audibles etc so the Bucs D steamrolled
buckeyepackfan (6-Feb) : That was quick, one thing Jordan said was he doesn't agree with Josh Jacobs, that the Packers need to go get a proven #1 wr
buckeyepackfan (6-Feb) : J-10VE on ESPN NOW!
beast (6-Feb) : I was young and didn't get enough sleep... fell asleep during the Buccaneers/Raiders Super Bowl
Zero2Cool (5-Feb) : Patriots / Panthers feeling is what I got. didn't watch that one either
Zero2Cool (5-Feb) : Easier to get a camera on her in the suite where she can't impact the game by being distraction???
TheKanataThrilla (5-Feb) : This is the least excited I have been in a long time for a Super Bowl. Unfortunately they both can't lose.
wpr (5-Feb) : So why don;'t they have her on the sidelines and doing the halftime fandango instead of sitting on her but in a $1,000,000 suite?
Zero2Cool (5-Feb) : Think more eyes on Super Bowl with Swift fans pulling for her TE boyfriend?
Zero2Cool (5-Feb) : She dating the TE of the Chiefs.
Zero2Cool (5-Feb) : Taylor Swift has millions of fans, yeah?
Zero2Cool (5-Feb) : They did. They are going to show the post production Sunday with plethora of ads.
wpr (5-Feb) : I thought KC already won
Zero2Cool (4-Feb) : If you wanna post about the Super Bowl, please, by all means, open a topic. They are free this month! 😁
Zero2Cool (4-Feb) : There doesn't need to be a topic. There's a playoff prediction thread.
packerfanoutwest (4-Feb) : and there no SB contest over in the other Packer forum, either
buckeyepackfan (4-Feb) : #2Officially Retires!
beast (4-Feb) : Probably no SB topic as people are wore out talking about the Chiefs, Refs and Eagles
Zero2Cool (4-Feb) : Packers reportedly have their new LB coach, promoting Sean Duggan to that role
Zero2Cool (4-Feb) : WR Cooper Kupp is being traded.
packerfanoutwest (4-Feb) : why is there no SB Prediction topic?
Zero2Cool (3-Feb) : Anthony Perkins spent 2024 as a defensive quality-control coach with the Packers.
Zero2Cool (3-Feb) : Packers lose another assistant.
Zero2Cool (3-Feb) : Defensive Player of the Year and Browns star Myles Garrett has requested a trade.
Zero2Cool (3-Feb) : deleted all my browser history and autofill and passwords. gonna be fun!
packerfanoutwest (3-Feb) : too funny
packerfanoutwest (3-Feb) : Lions QB Jared Goff was the offensive MVP
packerfanoutwest (3-Feb) : for the Pro Bowl, which is flag football
Zero2Cool (2-Feb) : Rather, the murder WAS covered up to prevent ...
Zero2Cool (2-Feb) : JFK murder was a cover-up to prevent war with Cuba/Russia.
Martha Careful (1-Feb) : I have always admired the pluck of the man
Zero2Cool (1-Feb) : I remember thinking he was going to be something good.
Mucky Tundra (1-Feb) : The Dualing Banjo!
Zero2Cool (31-Jan) : Jets have named Chris Banjo as their special teams coordinator, Former Packers player
Zero2Cool (31-Jan) : Jaguars have hired Anthony Campanile as their DC. We lose coach
Zero2Cool (30-Jan) : QB coach Sean Mannion
Zero2Cool (30-Jan) : DL Coach DeMarcus Covington
dfosterf (30-Jan) : from ft Belvoir, Quantico and points south. Somber reminder of this tragedy at Reagan Nat Airport
dfosterf (30-Jan) : So eerily quiet here in Alexandria. I live in the flight path of commercial craft coming from the south and west, plus the military craft
dfosterf (30-Jan) : So eeri
Mucky Tundra (30-Jan) : Now that's a thought, maybe they're looking at the college ranks? Maybe not head coaches but DC/assistant DCs with league experience?
beast (30-Jan) : College Coaches wouldn't want that publicly, as it would hurt recruiting and they might not get the job.
beast (30-Jan) : I thought they were supposed to publicly announce them, at least the NFL ones. Hafley was from college, so I believe different rules.
Mucky Tundra (30-Jan) : Who knows who they're interviewing? I mean, nobody knew about Hafley and then out of nowhere he was hired
beast (30-Jan) : I wonder what's taking so long with hiring a DL coach, 2 of the 3 known to interview have already been hired elsewhere.
Zero2Cool (27-Jan) : Packers coach Matt LaFleur hires Luke Getsy as senior assistant, extends Rich Bisaccia's deal
Zero2Cool (27-Jan) : Chiefs again huh? I guess another Super Bowl I'll be finding something else to do.
Mucky Tundra (27-Jan) : Chiefs Eagles...again...sigh
dfosterf (27-Jan) : Happy Birthday Dave!
Please sign in to use Fan Shout
2024 Packers Schedule
Friday, Sep 6 @ 7:15 PM
Eagles
Sunday, Sep 15 @ 12:00 PM
COLTS
Sunday, Sep 22 @ 12:00 PM
Titans
Sunday, Sep 29 @ 12:00 PM
VIKINGS
Sunday, Oct 6 @ 3:25 PM
Rams
Sunday, Oct 13 @ 12:00 PM
CARDINALS
Sunday, Oct 20 @ 12:00 PM
TEXANS
Sunday, Oct 27 @ 12:00 PM
Jaguars
Sunday, Nov 3 @ 3:25 PM
LIONS
Sunday, Nov 17 @ 12:00 PM
Bears
Sunday, Nov 24 @ 3:25 PM
49ERS
Thursday, Nov 28 @ 7:20 PM
DOLPHINS
Thursday, Dec 5 @ 7:15 PM
Lions
Sunday, Dec 15 @ 7:20 PM
Seahawks
Monday, Dec 23 @ 7:15 PM
SAINTS
Sunday, Dec 29 @ 3:25 PM
Vikings
Sunday, Jan 5 @ 12:00 PM
BEARS
Sunday, Jan 12 @ 3:30 PM
Eagles
Recent Topics
5h / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

12h / Around The NFL / Zero2Cool

12h / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

7-Feb / Green Bay Packers Talk / Martha Careful

6-Feb / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

4-Feb / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

4-Feb / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

4-Feb / Green Bay Packers Talk / earthquake

4-Feb / Green Bay Packers Talk / earthquake

1-Feb / Green Bay Packers Talk / Martha Careful

1-Feb / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

29-Jan / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

27-Jan / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

25-Jan / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

25-Jan / Green Bay Packers Talk / Martha Careful

Headlines
Copyright © 2006 - 2025 PackersHome.com™. All Rights Reserved.