Packers staking their claim among NFC elite· Page 4

wpr
Preferred Member Topic Starter

10 years ago

It's hard to read TOO much into the game. It seemed that once Aaron Rodgers got injured, the entire game changed. The Green Bay Packers by and large are Aaron Rodgers. If something is wrong with him, this team is rarely going to win, especially against a top quarterback. This defense is not going to carry the Packers and haven't since 2010, really. An exception here and there doesn't change the overall trend, either. Dom Capers just can't stack up against good quarterbacks. Not many can, but he certainly cannot.

Originally Posted by: DoddPower

So in other words GB is NOT an elite team. They are an average team, maybe with an elite QB that pulls the offense to to pretty good to almost elite all by himself. Sucks that he can't play defense too because they are certainly below average even with all the big names eating up cap space.

But hey, if the fans don't mind mediocrity they can pull it off and make the playoffs and hope the other team doesn't show up .

texaspackerbacker
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10 years ago

#32

The Packers ARE still an elite team - would you bet against them versus ANYBODY? Well, maybe Denver, but nobody else. The damn shame of it, though, is this team could be so much greater if Ted Thompson just did a better job of personnel once you get beyond oru world's greatest QB, our superstar first string RB, and our excellent top 2 or 3 WRs. Beyond that, it's mostly mediocrity. That doesn't mean the team is not elite, but it just could be so much greater yet with a little bit better general managership.

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hardrocker950
Member

10 years ago

#33

Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker

I mostly agree. I think adding a couple of quality linemen on both sides of the ball would go a long way. Most of us know that you cannot have elite players at every position, but less than average is not acceptable at the pro level.

With that said, this loss was a painful one - but most teams lay an egg on occasion. If they have another outing like they did in the Superdome, then I will be officially worried. The bye came at the perfect time, as there are obviously things to work through and a couple of injured players that could use the extra week off.

sschind
Senior Member

10 years ago

#34

I said it at the time in the chat: Mike doesn't need to resort to that kind of bullshit to win this game.

No big disappointment though. We all knew we were the better team, but we also all knew we'd go down there and shit ourselves. Set your watch by it.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann

Apparently he did. He certainly needed something more than he had or what he got from the players.

sschind
Senior Member

10 years ago

#35

Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker

Would you bet ON them versus anybody? I mean yeah, if you put down a hundred every game you probably come out ahead in the end but that doesn't mean its because they are elite. It just means they are better than most of the teams. Being better than most of the teams does not mean you are an elite team. Being better than most teams means you will win more games than you lose, sometimes many more. It means that you will likely make the playoffs every year and it means that yeah, there is a chance that you will win it all. Being elite means you go into every game feeling that the other team has little to no chance to win. Sure, every team has a chance but your chances against elite teams are more like the "any given Sunday" type chance or the blind squirrel finding a nut chance.

IMO there is one elite team in the NFL right now and that is the Broncos. The cowboys may be close and may have a chance to get there tonight and there are a couple of other teams flirting with the designation. Then there are a few teams that are always close to being in the discussion simply because of one or two players who always seem to give them a chance (I'd put the Packers and Patriots and Saints in this group based on the historic play of Rodgers, Brady and Brees and maybe even the Chargers this year because of Rivers)

Not just picking on you Texas but it sure seems like I am hearing more and more comments like those once spouted by Uffda. If he is still lurking I wonder how long it will be before he comes back saying, I told you so.

Cheesey
Preferred Member

10 years ago

#36

They are above "average", but I don't see them as elite.
With our pourous defense, they will win some games because of our strong offense. But if the defense is called on to win a game, I wouldn't put money on them.

IronMan
Veteran Member

10 years ago

#37

So are the Cowboys still "elite"?

My point: This elite talk in October is nonsense.

texaspackerbacker
Veteran Member

10 years ago

#38

Originally Posted by: sschind

It's more than just betting a hundred and coming out a little bit ahead. I think you know that. It's who is the better team head to head with the other top teams in the league. And by that criterion, I don't see anybody better except maybe Denver - and even then, I wouldn't bet against the Packers.

Me like Uffda? I am probably the biggest optimist in here, and not just in football hahahahaha. However, the elite status which we have is virtually all because of Aaron Rodgers - and to a lesser extent, Lacy and the Wideouts. It is absolutely IN SPITE OF substandard O-Line play and mediocre personnel on defense - Jerry f-ing Jones does a better job as a GM than Ted Thompson IMO.

Just the same, barring major injury to Aaron Rodgers, I STILL am expecting a victory in the Super Bowl.

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sschind
Senior Member

10 years ago

#39

So are the Cowboys still "elite"?

My point: This elite talk in October is nonsense.

Originally Posted by: IronMan

Personally I didn't consider the cowboys elite. Had they won convincingly last night I may have considered them as a possible elite team. As I said before IMO there is only one elite team and that is the Broncos. If the Broncos lose to the Patriots I'm not going to all of a sudden say the Patriots are elite and the Broncos are not. I think the Broncos are a team that should beat any team they face. To me that is the definition of elite and right now they are the only team I would say that about. There are a lot of teams knocking at the door (that still includes the cowboys) but they have to show me a bit more before I would consider them elite.

I don't see what the time of year has to do with it. An elite team is an elite team. If you are one of those who considers a team elite based simply on final record or simply based on who wins the SB then yeah its too early.

DoddPower
Veteran Member

10 years ago

#40

So are the Cowboys still "elite"?

My point: This elite talk in October is nonsense.

Originally Posted by: IronMan

Exactly. Some people get far too wrapped up in silly labels. The Packers are a very good team, and they could reasonably beat any team in the NFL if they play their best game. However, they do have many holes and weaknesses, but so does pretty much every other team in the league. Call them "elite," "Above average," "average," it doesn't matter. If the Packers bring their "A" game they can compete with anyone. If they bring their "B" or worse game, then things probably won't be too pretty. Either way, the Packers are contenders, but not the best team in the league.

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