steveishere
10 years ago

You are seeing what you want to see, not what actually happened.

No sense arguing about it.

You keep hammering Hawk, it's your right.





Originally Posted by: StarrMax1 



No, you are. I've rewatched the play several times in full speed and slow mo and every time when Harvin catches the ball Hawk is already at the line of scrimmage with no blockers in front of him. I don't think it's going to change.
yooperfan
10 years ago

Not as difficult on the field for some as it is for others. Hawk is one of those that it's more difficult for I agree.

Originally Posted by: steveishere 



I'll take Hawk over most others on this pathetic defense.

hardrocker950
10 years ago

I'll take Hawk over most others on this pathetic defense.

Originally Posted by: yooperfan 



Thank you for that. I found it funny how last season there were excuses for Burnett playing below expectations. When it is Hawk on the block - exact opposite. I am not saying he's great, but do we really need a weekly thread roasting him?
DoddPower
10 years ago

Thank you for that. I found it funny how last season there were excuses for Burnett playing below expectations. When it is Hawk on the block - exact opposite. I am not saying he's great, but do we really need a weekly thread roasting him?

Originally Posted by: hardrocker950 



Hawk can be serviceable, yes. But he is a problem for the Packers defense. Several other players are problems, too, but Hawk is most certainly one of them, and has been for a while. He can be decent at times, but he's far too often below average. The Packers defense can only be so good with Hawk as an inside linebacker. He can look better with more superstars all around him, but who wouldn't? No matter how anyone here wants to put it, the Packers need an improvement over Hawk and several other players on this defense.
10 years ago

And Hawk didn't put himself in position?

He did exactly what he should have done.

The play was a 4 yd gain, better that then Hawk whiffing and Harvin somehow gets through Hyde for a big gain.

1st drive of the game for Seattle, Packers stopped them next series, but then there was the roughing penalty on the punt.

Try taking a look at the big picture, not isolating this play and that play.

Originally Posted by: StarrMax1 



He had the opportunity to put himself in position but he failed to take advantage of it.

It is also worse than a huge third and one stop that could of changed the game.

I am looking at the big picture. You look at it as only a 4 yard gain while I look at it as a first down that keeps a drive going. This wasn't just a 1st and 10 on their own 20 yard line.

Everyone gets pissed off because the Packers can't beat the elite teams. If Packers are going to beat Seattle these are the type of plays that they need to make.



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uffda udfa
10 years ago
The pro Hawk crowd...I just don't understand them...

Michael Rodney @PackerUpdate · Sep 11
FWIW, @PFF rated Hawk and Jones as the two worst ILBs in the NFL in week 1.
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DarkaneRules
10 years ago
Hawk is past his prime, as short as that might have been. Serviceable. Haha. You forgot workmanlike. I think that was a line from an old SNL skit. It was the king and I and Phil Hartman's character assuming the role that Yule Brenner made so popular. Any way he reacts to the reviews of his performance and they sound like what a lot of people think of Hawk.

We know the teams that have ILBs the less fortunate team's would love to have. Yeah I'm jealous as I'm sure a lot of you guys are, but we have to work with what we got. I'll just say I'm glad we didn't get Shazier in the draft. That guy doesn't look too great. Anyway, we'll see how Lattimore does tomorrow. And hopefully Hawk doesn't slide too much further downhill this year because I think it has already started.
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nerdmann
10 years ago

Hawk is past his prime, as short as that might have been. Serviceable. Haha. You forgot workmanlike. I think that was a line from an old SNL skit. It was the king and I and Phil Hartman's character assuming the role that Yule Brenner made so popular. Any way he reacts to the reviews of his performance and they sound like what a lot of people think of Hawk.

We know the teams that have ILBs the less fortunate team's would love to have. Yeah I'm jealous as I'm sure a lot of you guys are, but we have to work with what we got. I'll just say I'm glad we didn't get Shazier in the draft. That guy doesn't look too great. Anyway, we'll see how Lattimore does tomorrow. And hopefully Hawk doesn't slide too much further downhill this year because I think it has already started.

Originally Posted by: DarkaneRules 



I'm honestly much more worried about the DL, especially the NT.
“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”
hardrocker950
10 years ago

Hawk can be serviceable, yes. But he is a problem for the Packers defense. Several other players are problems, too, but Hawk is most certainly one of them, and has been for a while. He can be decent at times, but he's far too often below average. The Packers defense can only be so good with Hawk as an inside linebacker. He can look better with more superstars all around him, but who wouldn't? No matter how anyone here wants to put it, the Packers need an improvement over Hawk and several other players on this defense.

Originally Posted by: DoddPower 



This is all true and I fully agree. My point is - do we need to have a new thread every time he shits himself?

🐴
DarkaneRules
10 years ago

I'm honestly much more worried about the DL, especially the NT.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



Yes! Because right now we don't have a starter and we play a freakin' 3-4(ish) defense!
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