Up until I bought our Toyota last year I bought most GM or one of the big 3. Since owning the Sienna.. I will more likely than not, buying another Toyota. To me, the vehicle design and quality surpass the others by that much.

And yes.. My Sienna is produced in Ohio.

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That wasn't sleazy - just silly. And far less annoying than most GEICO commercials...

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you got that right. along with the stupid Flo Progressive commercials. One day the company rep for Progressive stopped by and told our office we could win a chance to meet her. I said I wouldn't walk across the room to meet her. Maybe the girls in the office like her but I find the whole campaign very annoying. He had to admit he did too.

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I could care less about the particular citizenship of those who make the vehicle, design the vehicle, etc. I care about whether the vehicle will do what I want it to do, how I want it to do it, and when I want it to do it. I don't believe that worker quality and nationality are correlated. I believe there are greatly skilled, highly motivated, high integrity, caring, etc. American autoworkers, American engineers, and American managers, and I believe there are incompetent, lazy, worthless American autoworkers, American engineers, and American managers.

And I have no idea which ones were involved in making a particular vehicle by a particular company. So I'd rather just rely on the market. If a company and its employees are doing things right, it will succeed on the market. If it's asking for government assistance, it probably is screwing up in what it makes.

Now, honesty compels me to admit that I do pay more attention to commercials with attractive women in them than I do to ones with men in them. (I also pay more attention to commercials with dogs in the them than ones with cats or babies in them.) But to me the Scion ad doesn't have attractive women in it. It has bimbos.

This is the kind of attractive woman commercial I like:





Best car I've ever owned was a 1968 Chevelle (not the IMO overrated 396 SS either, but the 327.) I drive a 12 year old Saturn. But I'm very skeptical of anything GM now.

And I've been a GEICO customer since long before either the caveman or the gecko. Before it called itself GEICO, in fact.

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wow is Kate's commercial 4 years old now?

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I'm not sure I care much about where the car was pieced together. Are they made by American citizens and does the corporate money stay in America or does it go over seas with some tax free deal?

American made, with American parts, by American citizens and the money stays in America. That would be the best case scenario for America.

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This topic is a lot more complex than buy American, made in America. First of all, you have to examine union labor in America and whether or not they priced themselves right into the unemployment line. Should a line worker in the manufacturing plant with no secondary education make twice the money of a teacher that is forced to pay a full year's salary for a brand new overpriced car? There is a lot wrong with that whole dynamic.

But on the other hand, should these greedy corporations be able to make their cars in a foreign country on virtual slave labor and then bring them back without paying any high taxes to get them back in the country? I'm sure Mitt thinks so!

We have two vehicles - 2009 Chevy Silverado and 2004 Honda Pilot. Right now the Pilot has 85K on it and the pickup has 28K. I am almost certain that I will be towing the Pickup to the junkyard before the Honda. We believe in driving vehicles into the ground, so the auto industry doesn't necessarily like us or the bankers for that matter.

As for the commercial - I like bimbos spilling milk and creamy donuts on themselves, but the commercial wouldn't convince me to buy the car.

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Heh. I'm like Dakota. I drive a car until the transmission dies. Then I junk it.

I totally get what Wade is saying. But for me, I'd rather protect American labor IF it's anywhere close.

I take what Consumer Reports says seriously. They test everything and they can't be bought as they refuse corporate money. Toyota's quality has declined recently and Honda has remained consistently good. Toyota though kicks so much ass that despite their quality declining, they still put out good cars. Now Ford is totally kicking ass. They're neck and neck with the Japanese right now. Don't take my word for it. Subscribe to Consumer Reports.

So let's say hypothetically that I'm down to two cars - both with an 89 rating. I'll take the American made one over the foreign made one. And of course as Pack93z posted in his graph above, there are some Japanese models that are very American made. And yes, VR is right. There are some American models that aren't very American made. The thing that sucks now is you actually have to check.

Now back to the ad. It's cute. I'm not offended by it. I'm totally with Wade though about that Cadillac ad. Now, THAT is sexy. The Scion ad is just cute. Sexy > cute.

The ads that I can't stand to see are the erectile dysfunction ads. If I want anything off the TV, it's those ads. If you need drugs to get it up, I don't want to hear about it. Seriously. TMI, and get those ads off the air already.

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Don't ever, ever preface your comments with that phrase again.....that could give one a heart attack.....you scared the bejesus out of me.

Hold back your envy dipshit!

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