Porforis
13 years ago

This is against the Facebook Terms of Service and, if discovered, would result in deletion of all accounts created by that person

Originally Posted by: Nonstopdrivel 



I'm sure that'll be one heck of a deterrent.
Wade
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13 years ago

Oh my fucking God! If you don't fucking want people to see the shit, DON'T FUCKING PUT IT ON THE INTERNET! And holy fuck, there is a privacy setting you can control the shit too!


Why the fuck can't people do shit for themselves? Everyone needs others to wipe their ass for them?


What's next? Gonna bitch about the brakes in cars not automatically compressing when approaching a Yellow light or Stop sign?


BE FUCKING ACCOUNTABLE FOR YOUR OWN SHIT!


Mark Zuckerberg for President and Larry Page for Vice President!!!
The ticket Zuckerberg/Page!!! VOTE THIS NOVEMBER!

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



How many of Facebook's privacy "protections" came only after significant numbers of users took the trouble to give them shit? How many times has Facebook (or Google for that matter) changed the terms of service and required their users to say "don't do that!" again and again?

The Facebook/Google model is basically "we're taking your information unless and until you take affirmative steps to say no. It is not "Can I have this use information?" before taking it. "Ask first" and "ability to opt out" are not the same thing.

The facebook/google approach is to say "we're going to pay attention to how you wipe your ass" until you tell us we shouldn't.

The facebook/google approach is to say "we're going to control your brakes unless you sign an agreement written by lawyers telling us not to.
And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.
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Zero2Cool
13 years ago

How many of Facebook's privacy "protections" came only after significant numbers of users took the trouble to give them shit? How many times has Facebook (or Google for that matter) changed the terms of service and required their users to say "don't do that!" again and again?

The Facebook/Google model is basically "we're taking your information unless and until you take affirmative steps to say no. It is not "Can I have this use information?" before taking it. "Ask first" and "ability to opt out" are not the same thing.

The facebook/google approach is to say "we're going to pay attention to how you wipe your ass" until you tell us we shouldn't.

The facebook/google approach is to say "we're going to control your brakes unless you sign an agreement written by lawyers telling us not to.

Originally Posted by: Wade 



So, you're with me on Zuckerberg for US President, right?
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Wade
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13 years ago

If someone is representing my company, I don't want an addict, a racist, a child abuser or a freako conspiracy theorist meeting my customers and making people think I agree with that.

If I have a company, I should have a right to have my company represented in a manner consistent with my values. I should have a choice on what kind of people represent me.

It may be their jobs but the company is my life. I should have a right to protect my life.

If their lives and personal activities NEVER intruded on the hours that they are paid for, I wouldn't care what they do. But it always does. Nobody spend 100% of the time they are paid to be at work, doing work. The do personal stuff all the time and they have personal conversation. If they are bringing personal stuff to work, I should have a right to determine if that personal stuff they bring to work is going to harm my business.



Originally Posted by: Dexter_Sinister 


You're right. It's your company. And you should be able to ask a prospective employee anything you want. Agree with that 100%.

If you want to run a security check, bank account check, spending patterns check, have sixteen drug tests, find out what I write on my blog and inside my facebook profile, ask for copies of all the rough drafts of my anarchist babblings, ask what I think of President Moron or Senator Idiot, know what church I go to, feel free.


Personally, I'd rather people who feel as you do ask your questions before I was hired, rather than finding it out after I went to work for you. Then I'm much more likely to get the kind of work situation I want, rather than get there and find out my habits/crazinesses are going to be unacceptable. I'm bothered a lot less by someone who says up front "it matters to me that you're this impolitic anarchist econ whacko, and I don't want you working for me," than someone who says "your personal philosophical and political views don't matter here" and then, after I'm working there, I find they don't just matter, they control."


I hate all this pussyfooting lawyers and HR people and do-gooders have us do in the name of "fair employment practices." Except for certain cases of racial/gender/etc discrimination, employers and employees should be free to associate with each other (or to refuse to associate with each other) however they damn well please and on whatever terms they damn well want to insist upon.

I'm not going to sue you or any prospective employer for asking improper questions. Unless I'm a child or somehow mentally impaired, I don't think there are any improper questions. You're right: it's your business, and you should have the ability to run it any way you please. I've been a small businessman, and I expect I will be again.

Just don't be surprised when I gently refuse to. OR when I loudly tell you to fuck your job and thenspread the word about what kinds of requests you make. Your company's reputation is a function of what your employees do and say. And your reputation is a function of what you do and say.


And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.
Romans 12:2 (NKJV)
Cheesey
13 years ago
Zero makes a great point.
If you don't want your info out there, don't put it on the web.
Everything you put on there can be possibly hacked, or used against you.
So if you want to remain private, don't put it out there.

That's one of the biggest problems with the web in my view. WAY too much info is put out there, giving "bad guys" way too easy of access.
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Nonstopdrivel
13 years ago

Everything you put on there can be possibly hacked, or used against you.

Originally Posted by: Cheesey 


Just because it can be accessed illicitly does not mean that people should have the right to demand access to it.

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Formo
13 years ago

Just because it can be accessed illicitly does not mean that people should have the right to demand access to it.

Originally Posted by: Nonstopdrivel 



Certainly Alan didn't mean that people should get the right to access said information.
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TheKanataThrilla
13 years ago

Directly on the subject though, if this were to become common practice I wonder if people would preemptively set up dummy accounts to paint a flattering picture of themselves for future exploitation. Might be worth the time investment to make yourself look like Mister/Misses responsible.

Originally Posted by: Porforis 


How many friends would that profile have?

[grin1]

Dexter_Sinister
13 years ago

This is against the Facebook Terms of Service and, if discovered, would result in deletion of all accounts created by that person.

And Dexter, how far do you think it is ethical to take such a train of thought? Should you have the right to demand email passwords? Bank account information? Wedding certificates? Access to the snail mail box? Cameras in your employees' homes? Taps on their phones? Where do you draw the line?

If you are worried about their bringing Facebook to work, block access at your place of business. It's easy enough to do. As far as I am concerned, blocking access to a website is the functional equivalent of banning cell phones at work. Demanding Facebook passwords, on the other hand, is the equivalent of demanding the right to monitor an employee's voicemails or view their text messages or contact list. Not acceptable.

Originally Posted by: Nonstopdrivel 



I would be worried about them having personal preferences expressed in the execution of their duties and expressing an attitude that is contrary to the way I would want my business portrayed.

It is extremely unrealistic that I would expect people to keep their personal life out of my business. So is it unrealistic for me to want to know what they are bringing in to work? If you never conduct personal business, express personal opinions or engage in social activities when you are at work, then you have a right to keep it a secret. If you do bring it, I have a right to know how you're are going to represent my business.

If people don't bring their personal lives to work, they wouldn't need to know about it. But I do work at Airports, Prisons, Schools and County Courthouses. I can't have a guy with close associations to High Times, a history of inappropriate relationships with minors or who wants to overthrow the Federal Government. I could lose my contracts.

I can't afford not to care what people are into.
I want to go out like my Grandpa did. Peacefully in his sleep.
Not screaming in terror like his passengers.
Dexter_Sinister
13 years ago

How many friends would that profile have?

[grin1]

Originally Posted by: TheKanataThrilla 



All of your friends dummy accounts.:-k
I want to go out like my Grandpa did. Peacefully in his sleep.
Not screaming in terror like his passengers.
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