RashaanSalaami
13 years ago
Well, let's get straight to the 1st (of 2) surprises I have in store. I know some of these numbers are available elsewhere, but they may take some time to trickle in and it's good to see some more concentrated discussions taking apart various units. I hope these threads start more actual discussion than they did last year, but if not, I know people enjoy these sort of things and for me, it's definitely helped me look closer at the OL offensively.

OL Week 1 Graphics 

Terrific game by this unit keep Aaron upright and paving way for a nice, complimentary rushing attack. In pass pro, tough to argue against what these guys accomplished allowing just 2 sacks, 2 hits, and 3 hurries.

Over half of the OL imperfections came at the hands of our tight ends and backs, who struggled at times to pick up the Gregg Williams blitz. Starks clearly has ground to make up in this area, even by his own self-admission. Finley didn't look particularly strong in this area either, allowing the sack (I think, someone please correct me if I'm wrong because I'll freely admit I'm not OL expert) and being late on another assignment. Of our backs and tight ends, I really thought Quarless did an outstanding job tonight in pass pro and making key blocks in the run game. If you were expecting a lot of Taylor/Williams on the field this year, I'd be surprised if either cracked more than handful of snaps all year on the LOS if both Finley and Quarless stay healthy.

Our OL looked in sync and communicating well for week 1 in the season. Our interior linemen were hitting the second level consistently. Wells and Lang, specifically worked well in tandem and were pivotal to a couple bigger runs. Bulaga was straight up dominant, handling his man with ease. I really wish we have a future LT so we can keep this guy beasting on the right side.

Like I said, nothing extensive here. Enjoy!
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Greg C.
13 years ago
I looked at the link. I don't understand the part about run blocking.

When I watched the game a second time, I don't think Starks was that bad. The sack was on a play-action pass when the Saints blitzed. I thought Chris Collinsworth was being a little picky when he criticized Starks for not blocking the guy. It was play-action. Starks' first assignment on the play was to fake like he was getting the handoff. By the time he finished doing that, it was too late to block the rusher. Sometimes the defense just makes the right call, and there's nothing you can do about it. Starks did get pushed back into Rodgers on one play, and Rodgers' arm hit him when he made the throw.

I was especially happy to see Lang play well. He was the biggest question mark coming into the game.
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gbguy20
13 years ago

I looked at the link. I don't understand the part about run blocking.

When I watched the game a second time, I don't think Starks was that bad. The sack was on a play-action pass when the Saints blitzed. I thought Chris Collinsworth was being a little picky when he criticized Starks for not blocking the guy. It was play-action. Starks' first assignment on the play was to fake like he was getting the handoff. By the time he finished doing that, it was too late to block the rusher. Sometimes the defense just makes the right call, and there's nothing you can do about it. Starks did get pushed back into Rodgers on one play, and Rodgers' arm hit him when he made the throw.

I was especially happy to see Lang play well. He was the biggest question mark coming into the game.

Originally Posted by: Greg C. 



As collinsworth said, when that kind of thing happens you skip the fake and block the guy. priority number 1 is protecting aaron.
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Greg C.
13 years ago

As collinsworth said, when that kind of thing happens you skip the fake and block the guy. priority number 1 is protecting aaron.

Originally Posted by: gbguy20 



That's easy to say after the fact, but the fake is supposed to cause the pass rushers to hesitate, which should buy the QB more time to throw. Unfortunately that pass rusher was not fooled at all. He guessed right. I think it's debatable whether or not Starks did the wrong thing.

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RashaanSalaami
13 years ago
So I guess it wasn't as obvious as I thought. The Run Blocking section of the graphic shows all of our runs, the runner, the direction, and the yards. So for example, our first run was Grant for 4 yards over RT. Our second was Grant over left end for 5 yards, our 4th was Starks up the middle for nothing. The numbers in the mini-table at the bottom is a summary and pretty self-explanatory. Within each cell though, it goes carries - yards (average). Hope that helps.

As for the Starks pass pro, RBs are always taught to ignore the playaction and make the block if it's in jeopardy. The last thing you want is to risk a sack (injury/fumble) on your QB. The PA may or may not worth and it's never worth the risk to sell out to sell it if it means jeopardizing your block. In Starks' interview this week, he even said he needs to improve on pass blocking. I'm sure he knew he messed up on that play. Starks has shown a willingness (and ability) to take on rushers. He just needs to keep his head in the film room and learn technique to execute.

On other point of note, the sack allowed on Finley was probably on Aaron for not getting the pass out on time, but that's not how these things are scored. It's tough to know who exactly was at fault on that play without knowing the protection call.
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Greg C.
13 years ago

So I guess it wasn't as obvious as I thought. The Run Blocking section of the graphic shows all of our runs, the runner, the direction, and the yards. So for example, our first run was Grant for 4 yards over RT. Our second was Grant over left end for 5 yards, our 4th was Starks up the middle for nothing. The numbers in the mini-table at the bottom is a summary and pretty self-explanatory. Within each cell though, it goes carries - yards (average). Hope that helps.

Originally Posted by: RashaanSalaami 


Thanks for the explanation. I hadn't even realized that G was for Grant and S was for Starks. I thought the Starks TD was more behind Lang than Clifton, though.

I had never heard that RBs are taught to pass protect when needed instead of faking on play-action, so when Collinsworth said that I was suspicious, even though I think Collinsworth is the best color commentator ever.

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RashaanSalaami
13 years ago

Thanks for the explanation. I hadn't even realized that G was for Grant and S was for Starks. I thought the Starks TD was more behind Lang than Clifton, though.

I had never heard that RBs are taught to pass protect when needed instead of faking on play-action, so when Collinsworth said that I was suspicious, even though I think Collinsworth is the best color commentator ever.

Originally Posted by: Greg C. 



The run directions come straight from the NFL play-by-play. I think that's where Starks stared, but he did cut back between the LT and LG if I'm not mistaken.
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