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macbob
Veteran Member

13 years ago

Pointing to such a marked aberration is hardly a good way to support one's argument that an outstanding return team is essential to winning a championship.

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:

Wow. "Essential to winning a championship" is quite a leap from a thread discussion of whether having a good returner is overrated or not.

Things "essential" to winning a championship are things like defense, turnover differential, elite QB/passing game.

A returner falls into the "helps to win a championship" category, IMO. And I think that it would be hard to argue that Desmond Howard, SB XXXI MVP, did not help the Packers win that championship.

Nonstopdrivel
Preferred Member

13 years ago

#22

I didn't disagree. My point is that Super Bowl XXXI is the only notable case of an exceptional returner having a significant impact on the outcome of the game.

macbob
Veteran Member

13 years ago

#23

I didn't disagree. My point is that Super Bowl XXXI is the only notable case of an exceptional returner having a significant impact on the outcome of the game.

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:

Agreed.

Nice to have, not essential.

nerdmann
Premier Member Topic Starter

13 years ago

#24

I'd rather have a really good returner than have the ST we've been seeing the past few years.

“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”

zombieslayer
Registered

13 years ago

#25

Agreed.

Nice to have, not essential.

"macbob" wrote:

Heh. Kind of like a good RB.

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Nonstopdrivel
Preferred Member

13 years ago

#26

And the cycle starts over again.

Dexter_Sinister
Registered

13 years ago

#27

I'd rather have a really good returner than have the ST we've been seeing the past few years.

"nerdmann" wrote:

,

I am going to have to say that comment missed the point.

It should go without saying that you want the team to better everywhere.

The question before the court is:

Is it more important to have a return guy who gets you a couple of TDs a year if he is phenomenal or a WR who gets you three times that if he is just alright.

I want to go out like my Grandpa did. Peacefully in his sleep.
Not screaming in terror like his passengers.

Dexter_Sinister
Registered

13 years ago

#28

Using the Colts vs. Bears example is a little silly, imo. Of course a good return man isn't going to win the game by himself. In order to become a champion, a good team is generally needed all the way around. While an elite special teams unit can certainly help, God himself can only do so much for Sexy Rexy Grossman. And while the Bears defense was very good, I feel as if it's pretty rhetorical that, at minimum, a decent defense and offense is needed in addition to an elite ST's unit in order to win a super bowl.

"doddpower" wrote:

The Bears are the essence of my point. They have that great (maybe greatest) return guy. But they lack weapons for the Offense to score. You can win the Super Bowl with a horrible return game. Indy, NO, Packers etc. But you can't win without decent WRs.

You can try and depend on the D to keep it close and hope one of the 3 returns a year happens when you need it. But then you are counting on luck.

If you have to play 3 straight games to win a Super Bowl and part of your strategy is to get lucky...I wouldn't bet on it.

It is actually more relevant than the one in a lifetime impact of Desmond Howard. It has been done more than once.

I want to go out like my Grandpa did. Peacefully in his sleep.
Not screaming in terror like his passengers.

Dulak
Veteran Member

13 years ago

#29

Why is this argument going on? ...

Why cant we have both good WRs and a good return guy? ...

ya sure a return guy wont win us the SB on his own ... and 1 WR wont win a SB on his own either ...

We might have a guy that can play both ... so happy days.

nerdmann
Premier Member Topic Starter

13 years ago

#30

I'd rather have a really good returner than have the ST we've been seeing the past few years.

"Dexter_Sinister" wrote:

"nerdmann" wrote:

What if you already got 4 WRs and 3 TEs who can do that? (And now two RBs?)

“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”

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beast (3h) : I was rooting for the Bears to win and hurt their draft pick status

Zero2Cool (3h) : Forgot there was even a game last night haha

TheKanataThrilla (3h) : That was terrible.

TheKanataThrilla (3h) : Watching that game in its entirety yesterday is proof positive that I am a football addict.

beast (4h) : And horrible time management multiple times... and not being able to score more than 3 points on a team with talent

beast (4h) : Realizing the Bears didn't fix it from the previous week and do the same thing, getting the game to overtime

beast (4h) : They probably are not tanking, but they've absolutely mismanagement some things, such as Vikings seeing the Packers blocked FG and realizing

Zero2Cool (5h) : Crazy of Bears to have that mindset that is

Zero2Cool (5h) : Hail Mary stop away from 5 - 2. Not sure how that flips to tanking. Crazy mindset if true

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beast (16h) : Not nessarily, he might of been injured either way. He's playing about 50% of the games the last 4 years

Zero2Cool (22h) : If they'd been more patient with him, he'd be back already. Putting him out there vs Bears caused him to tweak it and here we are.

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beast (24-Dec) : Sounds like no serious injuries from the Saints game and Jacobs and Watson should play in the Vikings game

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Mucky Tundra (24-Dec) : Oh I know about Jacobs, I just couldn't pass up an opportunity to mimic Zero lol

buckeyepackfan (24-Dec) : Jacobs was just sat down, Watson re-injured that knee that kept him out 1 game earlier

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Mucky Tundra (24-Dec) : Jacobs gonna be OK???

Zero2Cool (24-Dec) : Watson gonna be OK???

packerfanoutwest (24-Dec) : Inactives tonight for the Pack: Alexander- knee Bullard - ankle Williams - quad Walker -ankle Monk Heath

packerfanoutwest (24-Dec) : No Jaire, but hopefully the front 7 destroys the line of scrimmage & forces Rattler into a few passes to McKinney.

packerfanoutwest (24-Dec) : minny could be #1 seed and the Lions #5 seed

Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : We'd have same Division and Conference records. Strength of schedule we edge them

Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I just checked. What tie breaker?

bboystyle (23-Dec) : yes its possible but unlikely. If we do get the 5th, we face the NFCS winner

Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : Ahh, ok.

bboystyle (23-Dec) : yes due to tie breaker

Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I mean, unlikely, yes, but mathematically, 5th is possible by what I'm reading.

Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : If Vikings lose out, Packers win out, Packers get 5th, right?

bboystyle (23-Dec) : Minny isnt going to lose out so 5th seed is out of the equation. We are playing for the 6th or 7th seed which makes no difference

Mucky Tundra (23-Dec) : beast, the ad revenue goes to the broadcast company but they gotta pay to air the game on their channel/network

beast (23-Dec) : If we win tonight the game is still relative in terms of 5th, 6th or 7th seed... win and it's 5th or 6th, lose and it's 6th or 7th

beast (23-Dec) : Mucky, I thought the ad revenue went to the broadcasting companies or the NFL, at least not directly

Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I think the revenue share is moot, isn't it? That's the CBA an Salary Cap handling that.

bboystyle (23-Dec) : i mean game becomes irrelevant if we win tonight. Just a game where we are trying to play spoilers to Vikings chance at the #1 seed

Mucky Tundra (23-Dec) : beast, I would guess ad revenue from more eyes watching tv

Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I would think it would hurt the home team because people would have to cancel last minute maybe? i dunno

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