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nerdmann
13 years ago
http://packerupdate.net/?p=11064 

I love the pick of Randall Cobb for two reasons. One is that hes a really good player. The other is that I no longer have to write critical posts about Ted Thompsons inability to find an adequate return man. Granted, the second reason is completely selfish, but banging that drum incessantly really got tiring over the years (not to mention very frustrating).

One of the reasons it took Thompson so long to find a legitimate returner is because he was looking for a player who could also help out on offense or defense. That narrowed the field of candidates considerably. There are usually at least a half-dozen experienced and productive returners available in every draft, but the vast majority of those players really dont project to another position at the next level. Thats why the Packers showed absolutely no interest in Stefan Logan (Lions), Eric Weems (Falcons) and Brandon Banks (Redskins) three of the preeminent returners in the National Football League.

Another reason it took Thompson so long to find a legitimate returner is because of his aversion to smaller players. That kept undersized but talented athletes such as Seattles Leon Washington (5-8), San Diegos Darren Sproles (5-6) and Oaklands Jacoby Ford (5-9) off Green Bays radar. Sproles has caught over 100 passes in the past two seasons, Ford had 470 yards receiving as a rookie and Washington has rushed for nearly 2,000 yards since 2006.

The irony of drafting Cobb in the second round is that even he doesnt fulfill both of the above requirements. He can certainly play wide receiver, but he stands only a shade over 5-10. That means Thompson had to soften his stance on height in order to finally give coach Mike McCarthy and special teams coordinator Shawn Slocum a legitimate return man. So what made a GM so steadfast in his beliefs willing to compromise just a bit? Perhaps a season of watching Jordy Nelson fumble, Sam Shields tip-toe sideways and Brandon Jackson run into the back of his blockers was enough to make him reconsider. Whatever the reason, the Packers will finally have a legitimate returner bringing back kicks and punts next season. And I couldnt be more thrilled both as a fan and as a writer.

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Dulak
13 years ago

Perhaps a season of watching Jordy Nelson fumble, Sam Shields tip-toe sideways and Brandon Jackson run into the back of his blockers was enough to make him reconsider. Whatever the reason, the Packers will finally have a legitimate returner bringing back kicks and punts next season. And I couldnt be more thrilled both as a fan and as a writer.

"nerdmann" wrote:



We can only hope he turns out as suggested ... Find it sort of humorous that we future project draft picks into top starter positions ...

but guess thats whats fun about the nfl - to see how it pans out ...

I tell you Im getting tired of watching peeps like hester or cribbs get all the glory on opposing teams.

Be nice to see the fear in opposing teams eyes for a change.
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13 years ago
I am looking for a return man who holds on to the ball first and foremost. Getting a few yards after that is a plus. Getting a boatload of yards icing on the cake.
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bozz_2006
13 years ago
I think that having a top returner is completely over-rated. If you have a terrible returner, that will hurt you, but I just think the importance people place on having one of those top guys is way over the top.
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dhazer
13 years ago

I think that having a top returner is completely over-rated. If you have a terrible returner, that will hurt you, but I just think the importance people place on having one of those top guys is way over the top.

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I'm not so sure here Bozz, perfect example; look at the Bears. Hester as a returner they make the Super Bowl after that game they take him off returns and bam not even the playoffs. Then this year they finally put him back there and they make the NFC Championship game. If you have a scary return man he doesn't even have to touch the ball for him to make a difference. Look at how many times teams punted away from Hester and the Bears ended up with awesome field position.

It's also something a team has to waste practice time on defending which doesn't hurt.
Just Imagine this for the next 6-9 years. What a ride it will be 🙂 (PS, Zero should charge for this)
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Zero2Cool
13 years ago

I think that having a top returner is completely over-rated. If you have a terrible returner, that will hurt you, but I just think the importance people place on having one of those top guys is way over the top.

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1996.
Desmond Howard.
99 yard kick return.
Changed momentum of the game.
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DakotaT
13 years ago
Wouldn't it be awesome to be outplayed by the Bears by 150 yards but still beat them because the return guy scored two touchdowns?

We only have one more dimension to overcome to be a complete football team, kick coverage.
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zombieslayer
13 years ago
What Zero said. I remember watching the game with a bunch of Patriots fans in the back of the bar. When that return happened, I swear to the Football Gods, they didn't make another sound for the rest of the ***** game. They left the bar very quietly before the game ended.

It's a shame we passed on Jacoby Ford. He got me a lot of fantasy points last year. Cobb will hopefully be equivalent to Ford.
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nerdmann
13 years ago
There are guys who play on returns and then there are true returners. For a true returner, you want a guy who 1: fields the ball cleanly. 2: takes it straight up the gut, THEN can make a move to make people miss. 3: has that extra burst of acceleration.
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Stevetarded
13 years ago

I think that having a top returner is completely over-rated. If you have a terrible returner, that will hurt you, but I just think the importance people place on having one of those top guys is way over the top.

"dhazer" wrote:



I'm not so sure here Bozz, perfect example; look at the Bears. Hester as a returner they make the Super Bowl after that game they take him off returns and bam not even the playoffs. Then this year they finally put him back there and they make the NFC Championship game. If you have a scary return man he doesn't even have to touch the ball for him to make a difference. Look at how many times teams punted away from Hester and the Bears ended up with awesome field position.

It's also something a team has to waste practice time on defending which doesn't hurt.

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??
Hester on punt returns
2006 47 returns, Super Bowl
2007 42 returns, No Playoffs
2008 32 returns, No Playoffs
2009 24 returns, No Playoffs
2010 33 returns, NFC Championship

I really don't see your correlation here. It is more telling to look at their defense though.
2006 3rd Points Allowed, Super Bowl
2007 16th Points Allowed, No Playoffs
2008 16th Points Allowed, No Playoffs
2009 21st Points Allowed, No Playoffs
2010 4th Points Allowed, NFC Championship

Not that having a scary return man doesn't help but it's definitely overrated. There are thousands of returns every year and like 30 some TDs so even with a good returner a TD is not likely to happen. Now on punt returns the difference between Devin Hester (the best punt returner in history) and Tramon Williams (barely even top 20 in average) is only 9 yards. 9 yards for 20 some plays over an entire season is not worth going out of your way for (not that you could hope for a guy to replicate what Hester does even if you DID go out of your way).

The coverage aspects of special teams are far more important than the returner aspects.
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beast (3h) : I was rooting for the Bears to win and hurt their draft pick status
Zero2Cool (3h) : Forgot there was even a game last night haha
TheKanataThrilla (3h) : That was terrible.
TheKanataThrilla (3h) : Watching that game in its entirety yesterday is proof positive that I am a football addict.
beast (4h) : And horrible time management multiple times... and not being able to score more than 3 points on a team with talent
beast (4h) : Realizing the Bears didn't fix it from the previous week and do the same thing, getting the game to overtime
beast (4h) : They probably are not tanking, but they've absolutely mismanagement some things, such as Vikings seeing the Packers blocked FG and realizing
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wpr (7h) : Watching bares fans melt down over how putrid their team is, so enjoyable. It's the gift that keeps on giving.
Mucky Tundra (15h) : The Seattle Seahawks defeat the Chicago Bears 6-3. Jason Myers had 6 RBIs for Seattle while Cairo Santos had 3 RBI for Chicago
beast (16h) : Not nessarily, he might of been injured either way. He's playing about 50% of the games the last 4 years
Zero2Cool (22h) : If they'd been more patient with him, he'd be back already. Putting him out there vs Bears caused him to tweak it and here we are.
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beast (24-Dec) : Sounds like no serious injuries from the Saints game and Jacobs and Watson should play in the Vikings game
packerfanoutwest (24-Dec) : both games Watson missed, Packers won
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Mucky Tundra (24-Dec) : Oh I know about Jacobs, I just couldn't pass up an opportunity to mimic Zero lol
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packerfanoutwest (24-Dec) : Inactives tonight for the Pack: Alexander- knee Bullard - ankle Williams - quad Walker -ankle Monk Heath
packerfanoutwest (24-Dec) : No Jaire, but hopefully the front 7 destroys the line of scrimmage & forces Rattler into a few passes to McKinney.
packerfanoutwest (24-Dec) : minny could be #1 seed and the Lions #5 seed
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : We'd have same Division and Conference records. Strength of schedule we edge them
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I just checked. What tie breaker?
bboystyle (23-Dec) : yes its possible but unlikely. If we do get the 5th, we face the NFCS winner
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : Ahh, ok.
bboystyle (23-Dec) : yes due to tie breaker
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I mean, unlikely, yes, but mathematically, 5th is possible by what I'm reading.
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : If Vikings lose out, Packers win out, Packers get 5th, right?
bboystyle (23-Dec) : Minny isnt going to lose out so 5th seed is out of the equation. We are playing for the 6th or 7th seed which makes no difference
Mucky Tundra (23-Dec) : beast, the ad revenue goes to the broadcast company but they gotta pay to air the game on their channel/network
beast (23-Dec) : If we win tonight the game is still relative in terms of 5th, 6th or 7th seed... win and it's 5th or 6th, lose and it's 6th or 7th
beast (23-Dec) : Mucky, I thought the ad revenue went to the broadcasting companies or the NFL, at least not directly
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I think the revenue share is moot, isn't it? That's the CBA an Salary Cap handling that.
bboystyle (23-Dec) : i mean game becomes irrelevant if we win tonight. Just a game where we are trying to play spoilers to Vikings chance at the #1 seed
Mucky Tundra (23-Dec) : beast, I would guess ad revenue from more eyes watching tv
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I would think it would hurt the home team because people would have to cancel last minute maybe? i dunno
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