Pack93z
14 years ago
But stories like Tramon's happen because you develop the player.. Jones was only a second year player last season.. and only got a couple games in.

Zombo will be a second year player. Walden will have another year under his belt..

I am not saying you ignore an opportunity to upgrade.. but even guys that looked like they would be good, Jerry Hughes comes to mind.. didn't do squat immediately.
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Rockmolder
14 years ago

But stories like Tramon's happen because you develop the player.. Jones was only a second year player last season.. and only got a couple games in.

Zombo will be a second year player. Walden will have another year under his belt..

I am not saying you ignore an opportunity to upgrade.. but even guys that looked like they would be good, Jerry Hughes comes to mind.. didn't do squat immediately.

"Pack93z" wrote:



I know what you mean, but if you really see this as a position of problem, you don't go ahead and take 6th, 7th rounders and UDFAs to fix it. It's just that they inexplicably keep ignoring the OLB position while the entire football world is screaming out for them to do something about it.

But, anyway, I feel like I'm pissing in cheerio's here for the sake of it. I actually like Elmore as a pick. Especially in the 6th round. We'll see what he'll bring.
14 years ago

I know what you mean, but if you really see this as a position of problem, you don't go ahead and take 6th, 7th rounders and UDFAs to fix it. It's just that they inexplicably keep ignoring the OLB position while the entire football world is screaming out for them to do something about it.

"Rockmolder" wrote:



The entire football world is screaming out for the Packers to do something about the OLB position? 🤨

The Packers as a team were 1 sack out of first place in sacks last year. The best OLB duo in the NFL, James Harrison and Lamarr Woodley combined for 20.5 sacks. Clay Matthews and our rotating cast opposite him combined for 21.5- the best in the league for sacks by an OLB crew if I'm not mistaken, despite missed-time injuries to Matthews, Jones, Zombo, Walden, and Poppinga. Robert Francois had to start a game at ROLB it got so bad.

I don't think everyone would agree with your premise that OLB is a "position of problem," especially with the presumptive starter- Zombo going from being an undrafted rookie who had to learn a new position to a 2nd year guy with some productive starts and five sacks, including one in the Super Bowl under his belt.

Despite only starting 8 games and only playing in 13, Frank Zombo was #2 in the league in sacks among rookie LBs. Only Miami's Koa Misi had more, and that was just 1/2 sack more.
DakotaT
14 years ago
You got a slapnuts for that one GLAL. Good post.
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zombieslayer
14 years ago
Whoa. A rare occurrence indeed. Rock was actually wrong about something related to the Packers. I'm going to have to slap GLAL's nuts as well.


(Rock's "taste" in music is questionable, but his knowledge of everything Packers makes me look like a noob).
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DakotaT
14 years ago


(Rock's "taste" in music is questionable, but his knowledge of everything Packers makes me look like a noob).

"zombieslayer" wrote:



That's OK Zombie, you're still the man when it comes to whoremongering. Non does a good job too, but he puts too much thought into it. Non = the Ted Koppel of getting some.
UserPostedImage
14 years ago
Slapnuts? :shrug:

slapnuts-

A method of punishment and pain compliance administered by a short, sharp slap to the nutsack, either forehand or backhand, but with an open palm.


http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=slapnuts 

Ow.
Dexter_Sinister
14 years ago
Or a bag tag.

You're it.
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Rockmolder
14 years ago

Whoa. A rare occurrence indeed. Rock was actually wrong about something related to the Packers. I'm going to have to slap GLAL's nuts as well.


(Rock's "taste" in music is questionable, but his knowledge of everything Packers makes me look like a noob).

"zombieslayer" wrote:



I'm not that knowledgable about anything. I just act like I am.

And my taste in music is sublime, if I say so myself.

And I'm not backing down just yet.

To GLAL...

But you've seen these games, right? Our OLBs opposite of Clay did very little to help the pass rush. Just recall the plays without the statistics next to them. I think they're kind of skewed in this equation. They'll get there once in a while on their own, but largely, they just come up short, regardless of which one of the OLBs we're talking about (outside of Clay, of course).

For the statistics... You have Clay on one side, someone you're going to try to avoid at all cost, maybe double him up. You have Pickett eating one or two blocks. You have Raji collapsing the middle, getting penetration up the middle like I've barely ever seen a NT doing and you have Cullen, someone who excels at rushing the passer from the 5 and the 3 technique position.

Your other OLB is bound to get some sacks, eventually.

Let me first state that Walden actually showed a slight glimmer of hope rushing the passer before he got injured, but he was getting pushed around quite easily in the running game.

But we're not going to get settled on that one, weak as it sounds. I've had this discussion on PP.O tons of times, with Ray Edwards, in my opinion, benefiting from the rest of that line.

Most of the pre-draft coverage had OLB, OT and CB right up there as our top needs. Most mock drafts had us going OLB somewhere in the first 3/4 rounds.

It's not that we can't survive with a solid rusher opposite of Clay, it's just that having a good pass rush covers up so many problems.

And we have that solid pass rush because of some amazing D-line play and the way that Dom schemes around his players. It's just another OLB would make this defense next to unstoppable. I think we'll see a drop of sacks if Cullen does indeed leave, because he makes one heck of an impact on the D-line when he's healthy in the pass rushing department. More so than any other 3-4 DE in the league, maybe.
14 years ago

Whoa. A rare occurrence indeed. Rock was actually wrong about something related to the Packers. I'm going to have to slap GLAL's nuts as well.


(Rock's "taste" in music is questionable, but his knowledge of everything Packers makes me look like a noob).

"Rockmolder" wrote:



I'm not that knowledgable about anything. I just act like I am.

And my taste in music is sublime, if I say so myself.

And I'm not backing down just yet.

To GLAL...

But you've seen these games, right? Our OLBs opposite of Clay did very little to help the pass rush. Just recall the plays without the statistics next to them. I think they're kind of skewed in this equation. They'll get there once in a while on their own, but largely, they just come up short, regardless of which one of the OLBs we're talking about (outside of Clay, of course).

For the statistics... You have Clay on one side, someone you're going to try to avoid at all cost, maybe double him up. You have Pickett eating one or two blocks. You have Raji collapsing the middle, getting penetration up the middle like I've barely ever seen a NT doing and you have Cullen, someone who excels at rushing the passer from the 5 and the 3 technique position.

Your other OLB is bound to get some sacks, eventually.

Let me first state that Walden actually showed a slight glimmer of hope rushing the passer before he got injured, but he was getting pushed around quite easily in the running game.

But we're not going to get settled on that one, weak as it sounds. I've had this discussion on PP.O tons of times, with Ray Edwards, in my opinion, benefiting from the rest of that line.

Most of the pre-draft coverage had OLB, OT and CB right up there as our top needs. Most mock drafts had us going OLB somewhere in the first 3/4 rounds.

It's not that we can't survive with a solid rusher opposite of Clay, it's just that having a good pass rush covers up so many problems.

And we have that solid pass rush because of some amazing D-line play and the way that Dom schemes around his players. It's just another OLB would make this defense next to unstoppable. I think we'll see a drop of sacks if Cullen does indeed leave, because he makes one heck of an impact on the D-line when he's healthy in the pass rushing department. More so than any other 3-4 DE in the league, maybe.

"zombieslayer" wrote:



I'm not saying it can't be upgraded. Of course it could, but Zombo looks like a player to me. I don't know who in that draft would have instantly taken his job. He outperformed most of the big name guys from last year's draft, and now he has some NFL experience under his belt.

Zombo is no Clay Matthews, but more than likely, we'll NEVER have two Clay Matthews-caliber OLBs, no matter how many draft picks we throw at the position. I think Zombo is a good one, and we have some depth with whoever makes it out of Jones, Chillar, Walden, Poppinga, Francois, and Elmore.

Here's some quality Zombo action-
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-fantasy/09000d5d81ca9225/Packers-defense-sack-5-yd-loss 

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-fantasy/09000d5d81c78896/Packers-defense-sack-11-yd-loss 

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-fantasy/09000d5d81ae53d7/Packers-defense-sack-10-yd-loss 

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-fantasy/09000d5d81ae53d7/Packers-defense-sack-10-yd-loss 
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