longtimefan
13 years ago



It is not fair to say 6 TD's. Jennings caught the TD in the right corner of the end zone on the same drive that Nelson dropped one. The came back to Jordy the very next play and he took it to the 3.
Other times GB played field position battles with Pitt and even though they may not have scored on the drive of the dropped pass, they kept Pitt penned back in their own end of the field.

"wpr" wrote:




HUH?

Jennings got a TD in middle of endzone, it was a 3 play drive, two to Jennings and run by Starks with 2:30 to go in 1st half after Bush's int


Jordys drop was with 2:10 to go on 3rd down in right corner , they kicked a FG.....

Your thinking of the wrong play
mi_keys
13 years ago
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Here is my sentence by sentence rebuttal

12 yards downfield is not short yardage.



-12 yards IS relatively short and an extremely "high percentage" throw as you like to call them.

Get your guys in the zone with some efficient, high percentage passing.



-Many of the drops were in the second half, after players had already made some big plays in some cases. How long does it take for them to "get into the zone?" What the hell are warmups for?

I was actually astonished when Joe Buck and these columnists actually used the words "low percentage" on some of these drops.



-I don't listen to announcers because they piss me off, so I have no idea what context Mr. Buck said "low percentage" in. From your statement I'm guessing it was that these were passes that are rarely dropped. If that's the case, then he was spot on. I honestly have no idea what you're astonished about.

Doesn't matter if it hits the guy in the hands.



-Mate, if you honestly believe this you seriously need help.

On a couple of the ones Jordi dropped there were guys getting their hands up and almost slapping the ball down, which can also serve to obstruct vision of the ball.



-I don't know which ones you are talking about here with Jordy. The deep ball on 3rd down on the first drive had no defensive back within 3 yards of him. There was a crossing route on a 2nd down right before he made a big play where he dropped the pass and again there was no one near him. There was a slant that he dropped but that did have a safety closing in on him, but that would have more to do with being afraid of getting hit, not having a hand distract him. There was the one in the end zone on the last drive that went off his finger tips and again the defender was behind him.

Also, NFL receivers deal with coverage all the time. It's their bloody job. If a receiver drops a ball because of hands being near slapping them down doesn't mean it's not a bad play by the receiver. Usually it is.

Seems like the main short yardage throws the Packers throw are those stupid WRs screens.



So 10-12 yards is too long and wide receiver screens are stupid. I guess we should run nothing but 5 yard slants all game.


Oh, and stop pissing and moaning about the play calling. It was pretty damn good. We won.
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13 years ago



It is not fair to say 6 TD's. Jennings caught the TD in the right corner of the end zone on the same drive that Nelson dropped one. The came back to Jordy the very next play and he took it to the 3.
Other times GB played field position battles with Pitt and even though they may not have scored on the drive of the dropped pass, they kept Pitt penned back in their own end of the field.

"longtimefan" wrote:




HUH?

Jennings got a TD in middle of endzone, it was a 3 play drive, two to Jennings and run by Starks with 2:30 to go in 1st half after Bush's int


Jordys drop was with 2:10 to go on 3rd down in right corner , they kicked a FG.....

Your thinking of the wrong play

"wpr" wrote:



Sorry while I am getting two different drives mixed up Jennings DID catch the td after a Nelson dropped pass.


# Green Bay Packers at 14:50
# 1-10-GB 45 (14:50) 12-A.Rodgers pass incomplete short left to 87-J.Nelson.
# 2-10-GB 45 (14:45) 12-A.Rodgers pass short right to 87-J.Nelson to GB 48 for 3 yards (43-T.Polamalu).
# 3-7-GB 48 (14:01) (Shotgun) 12-A.Rodgers pass short right to 89-J.Jones ran ob at PIT 40 for 12 yards.
# 1-10-PIT 40 (13:21) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 12-A.Rodgers pass incomplete short middle to 32-B.Jackson.
# 2-10-PIT 40 (13:16) (Shotgun) 12-A.Rodgers pass incomplete short middle to 87-J.Nelson.
# 3-10-PIT 40 (13:11) (Shotgun) 12-A.Rodgers pass short middle to 87-J.Nelson pushed ob at PIT 2 for 38 yards (43-T.Polamalu).
# 1-2-PIT 2 (12:40) 12-A.Rodgers sacked at PIT 8 for -6 yards (56-L.Woodley).
# 2-8-PIT 8 (12:03) 12-A.Rodgers pass short right to 85-G.Jennings for 8 yards, TOUCHDOWN .

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lords_of_thelema
13 years ago
If 12 yards was high percentage, a lot more teams would be running those plays all the time. BAM! First down, over and over again.
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mi_keys
13 years ago

If 12 yards was high percentage, a lot more teams would be running those plays all the time. BAM! First down, over and over again.

"lords_of_thelema" wrote:



Teams do have crossing routes just beyond the first down that are run in a very high number of passing plays. If the receiver is open it is a high percentage play, if not you go to the check down or the next read. Why is this so difficult to comprehend?
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evad04
13 years ago

If 12 yards was high percentage, a lot more teams would be running those plays all the time. BAM! First down, over and over again.

"mi_keys" wrote:



Teams do have crossing routes just beyond the first down that are run in a very high number of passing plays. If the receiver is open it is a high percentage play, if not you go to the check down or the next read. Why is this so difficult to comprehend?

"lords_of_thelema" wrote:


This.

To make the claim that it doesn't matter if it hits the receivers hands is one of the more ridiculous things I've heard ... ever.

Also, the depth of a route should not be the only factor in deciding its likelihood of completion. When James Jones cuts on a 8-yard post and gets separation AND the ball is thrown perfectly in stride this would constitute a "high percentage" play. A drop is a drop, whether it takes place 2 yards or 72 yards downfield.

Finally, the deeper "low percentage" passes were crucial to the Packers' win. Hit the Steelers up the seems, where they are weak, and you'll get some completions.
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Nonstopdrivel
13 years ago
It's so fun listening to Greg Jennings' running analysis of the defensive situation.

Polamalu's shooting straight down to me. He's flying down so hard, he can't adjust! . . . There's no way he can cover a seam or a corner route. . . . Wide open. They can't cover it.

[After his touchdown catch] G'ohh, my God, I've been telling Mike, 'Corner routes, corner routes!' Nobody out there!

[After his third-down conversion] I've gotta come up outta that tackle, man. We need seven! Ohh, gotta come out of that. [...] I don't like this situation. I just don't, man. I love our defense to death! I don't like putting them in this situation every single game!

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Speaking of which, who's the crazy-looking, longhaired guy in street clothes that Jennings says that last part to? He looks pissed; he practically brushes Jennings off.
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Dexter_Sinister
13 years ago

Starks 11 carries 52 yards

As I said all year long we dont stick to the run game enough..

"longtimefan" wrote:



For that you have to blame the Steelers.
Mike McCarthy said the majority of the plays were run/pass option. Rodgers makes a pre snap read, calls out an audible to which option, or just changes it without telling anyone and either throws or hands off according to the D alignment.

The read tells him which will be the most exploitable. If the Pitsburgh lines up weak against the pass, Rodgers throws it.

That is why we threw so much. Mike McCarthy said he wanted to run more because Starks was rolling, but you have to go with the reads.

When he said he put the game on Rodgers, he meant the decisions, not that we would pass a lot.
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nerdmann
13 years ago

If 12 yards was high percentage, a lot more teams would be running those plays all the time. BAM! First down, over and over again.

"mi_keys" wrote:



Teams do have crossing routes just beyond the first down that are run in a very high number of passing plays. If the receiver is open it is a high percentage play, if not you go to the check down or the next read. Why is this so difficult to comprehend?

"lords_of_thelema" wrote:





Yeah, they run them all the time. And it's not exactly a sure thing.
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nerdmann
13 years ago

If 12 yards was high percentage, a lot more teams would be running those plays all the time. BAM! First down, over and over again.

"evad04" wrote:



Teams do have crossing routes just beyond the first down that are run in a very high number of passing plays. If the receiver is open it is a high percentage play, if not you go to the check down or the next read. Why is this so difficult to comprehend?

"mi_keys" wrote:


This.

To make the claim that it doesn't matter if it hits the receivers hands is one of the more ridiculous things I've heard ... ever.

Also, the depth of a route should not be the only factor in deciding its likelihood of completion. When James Jones cuts on a 8-yard post and gets separation AND the ball is thrown perfectly in stride this would constitute a "high percentage" play. A drop is a drop, whether it takes place 2 yards or 72 yards downfield.

Finally, the deeper "low percentage" passes were crucial to the Packers' win. Hit the Steelers up the seems, where they are weak, and you'll get some completions.

"lords_of_thelema" wrote:





Catching a good pass from 5 feet away is not that same as catching a good pass from 40 yards away, especially at full speed with guys diving between you and the ball.
Not saying there is an excuse for dropping the ball. What I'm saying is, give him high percentage plays, and he will have fewer drops.
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